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BBC: Iraq rebels 'flushed out by US' ~~ Syrian Border.....
BBC ^ | Sunday, 15 May, 2005, 03:10 GMT 04:10 UK | staff

Posted on 05/15/2005 12:42:52 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

Iraq rebels 'flushed out by US'

Displaced people from the embattled city of al-Qaim

Many people have fled to the desert as a result of the US campaign

The US has said its forces have cleared an area in north-west Iraq of insurgents following a week-long operation codenamed Matador.

The Americans said they had killed more than 125 rebels for the loss of nine of their own men, with 40 wounded.

The campaign, involving air strikes and at least 1,000 ground troops, took place close to the border with Syria.

Meanwhile, in the capital Baghdad, a senior foreign ministry official has been shot dead outside his home.

The assassination of Jassim al-Muhammadawy, the director-general of administration at the ministry, followed a suicide car bomb attack on a police convoy in the city in which at least four people died.

About 10 others were killed in suicide bombings in the northern cities of Kirkuk and Mosul.

More than 400 people have been killed in militant attacks since Iraq's democratically elected government was announced at the end of April.

Syrian alarm

Explosions were heard on the Syrian side of the border during Operation Matador.

The Syrians moved up extra troops as a precaution.

I left al-Qaim with nothing - my five-year-old son was killed in the clashes

Hassan al-Kubaissi

Reports from the area said US troops began pulling out almost exactly a week after the campaign began, and that they had dismantled a pontoon bridge they built across the Euphrates during the operation.

The US said the operation had achieved its goals of eliminating insurgents, and denying a sanctuary and a through route for fighters and materials involved in attacks deep inside Iraq.

"During Operation Matador, marines, sailors and soldiers neutralised this sanctuary, killing more than 125 insurgents, wounding many others, and detaining 39 insurgents of intelligence value," the US military said in a statement.

But there were no reports that they had entered Qaim, a town close to the border known for its insurgent activity.

The area concerned is highly tribal and has traditionally been a route for smuggling across the Syrian border.

Tribal tensions

The Americans said they would continue to monitor the area and would be back.

The BBC's Jim Muir, in Baghdad, says the operation appears to have exacerbated tribal tensions in the area.

About 250 people fled Qaim into the desert as a result of the fighting and are currently receiving assistance from the Iraqi Red Crescent, the AFP news agency reports.

"I left al-Qaim with nothing. My five-year-old son was killed in the clashes," Hassan al-Kubaissi, 34, told the news agency.

The governor of the province was also abducted by gunmen who said they would only free him if the Americans pulled out.

The operation was the largest campaign against insurgents since the US-led assault on Falluja in November.



TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: iraq; marines; oif; operationmatador; waronterror

1 posted on 05/15/2005 12:42:52 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Up USA. Down BBC.


2 posted on 05/15/2005 1:09:52 PM PDT by GVnana
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
The Americans said they had killed more than 125 rebels for the loss of nine of their own men, with 40 wounded.

Unacceptable. If we don't kill at a rate of 1,000 to 1, we're not fighting with our gloves off.

-ccm

3 posted on 05/15/2005 1:19:10 PM PDT by ccmay (Question Diversity)
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To: ccmay

" Unacceptable. If we don't kill at a rate of 1,000 to 1, we're not fighting with our gloves off."

Sigh.............whats the use.


4 posted on 05/15/2005 1:40:42 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

How enemic compared to what we have read at Chester's, Fourth Rail, and other sites.
If this is all the folks on the Island have to go by, guess their truely as bad off as many Americans. Little facts, with tons of large gaps of detailed info that could provide folks with a balanced picture. To readers.............E just reports the stuff, but doesn't place his fact sheets on these little blirps.


5 posted on 05/15/2005 1:44:57 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle
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To: Marine_Uncle; ccmay; GVgirl
Thanks.....here is one of the blogs:

May 13, 2005
Operation Matador in Northern Iraq

6 posted on 05/15/2005 1:51:13 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (This tagline no longer operative....floated away in the flood of 2005 ,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

"Thanks.....here is one of the blogs:
May 13, 2005
Operation Matador in Northern Iraq"

BTDT............thanks.


7 posted on 05/15/2005 2:03:00 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle
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To: ccmay

I'm sure killing 1.6 million people (based on 1600 already dead) will make friends all over the place < /sarc> Based on 2002 numbers that's over 6% of the entire Iraq population. Surely you're not serious


8 posted on 05/15/2005 2:10:45 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: billbears
I'm sure killing 1.6 million people (based on 1600 already dead) will make friends all over the place

I'm not implying anything of the sort.

I just think losing 9 Marines to get 125 muj is not a sustainable ratio. We have force multipliers available; let's use them.

-ccm

9 posted on 05/15/2005 8:01:37 PM PDT by ccmay (Question Diversity)
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To: Marine_Uncle

he's right. US forces cannot sustain casualties at that rate: 9 KIA and forty wounded to kill 125 of the enemy. life is cheap for these jihadi scum, life is precious for our men. they have thousands of fighters willing to martyr themselves. carpet bombing is extreme, but so is this house to house fighting.


10 posted on 05/15/2005 8:05:45 PM PDT by oceanview
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"he's right. US forces cannot sustain casualties at that rate: 9 KIA and forty wounded to kill 125 of the enemy. life is cheap for these jihadi scum, life is precious for our men. they have thousands of fighters willing to martyr themselves. carpet bombing is extreme, but so is this house to house fighting."
I truly have similar feelings. One KIAed is to many. But we should try to keep things in perspective. Half the number of Angels KIAed in 3/2 where in one squad all hit in one tiny area. The battle raged for 5 days, lots of spincher and flanking moves etc., the need to quickly set up a pontoon bridge while being targeted by enemy mortars. This was a major operation. Similiar to Fallujah on a smaller scale.
There was little to carpet bomb. Few if you have followed things, airstrikes where actually called in because the fighting was so sporadic and in close, house to house where there where not many houses to begin with. It took place in I believe ten towns on the west and east sides of the Euphrates river. At best it was finding and chasing down small bands in any given spot. Plus there where local tribal forces in some of the towns that where fighting the insurgents and terrorist coming in from Syria. What you suggest, cannot be done so easily. Do you exterminate a whole village of people that where fighting the insurgents?

You may answer an affirmative yes, and I can appreciate that. But I truly believe and perhaps are full of baloney that it is a bit more complicated then just full scale annilation of towns because a half dozen insurgents are known to be in it. If our Marines and Army take that approuch, oceanview, how can we expect to continue to win the good will of the growing numbers of Iraqis of different tribes, and cult sects that are warming up to us? They don't want us there, but more of them admit we do not do harm to any innocent Iraqi, quite the opposite of what the insurgents and terrorist are showing themselves to be.
It's a two edge sword. We are gaining their trust, so that our HUMIT has increased significantly in the past six months or so. Now Iraqi's point out the bad guys. If we just bomb the innocent into dust, do you think Iraqi's are going to want to help our Army and Marines take out the remining scum bags?
Look I have a Marine nephew in northern western Iraq as I write. I assure you our guys could go in with unrelenting force whenever possible, which they did in operation Matador in a few cases such as when one F18C dropped a biggy and flattened a house, known to contain insurgents. But please do try to picture this particular mission. It was sporadic and widespread. We routed the insurgency, probably gained a bit more grace from the locals for not turningn their little towns into a dust heap, and therefore may have gained support in this area long knonw to be a breeding ground for the assholes to hide and train and retreat to, where in the future, perhaps we will not have to go back to this area if the message got out that it is a useless cause for them to attempt to take back this area.
However, again, I share your feelings for our lose, believe me I also do, having to write letters of condulance to Marine Parents and wives I know have lost a loved one, at a web site we communicate on. Every time I hear one of our guys badly injured or killed it kicks me real hard in the belly if you know what I mean. Daily and at night I am roaming those dusty roads in a LAV or Humvee with my nephew in the mental. We all wish not one of our brave and honor bound Army and Marines would even get a scratch on their little toe, and have huge numbers of scum bags meet their maker. Surely in your heart you know at this point, we probably are actually winning the war (SASO) in this land.
Lord willing our guys won't have to recycle in to much longer. Many are obviously on their second and their deploy to the pit. Some their forth.
Lastly, I respect your opinion on this matter as I respect all. Perhaps my, "sigh" was simply inappropriate.


11 posted on 05/15/2005 10:10:32 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle
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To: ccmay
Unacceptable. If we don't kill at a rate of 1,000 to 1, we're not fighting with our gloves off

Based on this statement, I would gather that's what you are implying. What 'force multipliers' are you suggesting we use then? Tactical nukes? Carpet bombing? I'm sure that'll win friends and influence people all over Iraq....

If you haven't forgotten the latest excuse is that the US is 'establishing democracy' in Iraq. Sort of hard to establish it if you kill all the people you're establishing it for by using these 'force multipliers'...

12 posted on 05/16/2005 6:54:00 AM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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