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To: Dog

Oh come on guys, let's not be silly. Do you think insurgents/Al Qaeda would willingly let go of this guy because of weakness. Hell, if they were weak, shouldn't they have killed him.

There's more to this story then is being let on.


4 posted on 05/15/2005 9:41:06 AM PDT by ChicagoRepublican
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To: ChicagoRepublican

It would appear they wanted their family/clan to live.


7 posted on 05/15/2005 9:42:36 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: ChicagoRepublican

Are you suggesting that he was rescued or escaped?


9 posted on 05/15/2005 9:43:56 AM PDT by No Blue States
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To: ChicagoRepublican
There's more to this story then is being let on.

I would not be trusting this Gov. until I reviewed this situation very carefully.

10 posted on 05/15/2005 9:44:01 AM PDT by oldbrowser (You lost the election.....get over it.)
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To: ChicagoRepublican

Remember the media report of fighting inside Al-Qaim..and the US military said it wasn't the Marines fighting.......it was no doubt this man's tribe fighting AQ and handing out payback to Zarqawi's crew.


11 posted on 05/15/2005 9:44:25 AM PDT by Dog (Freeping since the crack of doom....)
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To: ChicagoRepublican; Dog
Oh come on guys, let's not be silly. Do you think insurgents/Al Qaeda would willingly let go of this guy because of weakness. Hell, if they were weak, shouldn't they have killed him.

There's more to this story then is being let on.

I'd have to say I might tend to agree with ChicagoRep at this time - Something odd about this - (no reason to release this guy - killing him or letting him go makes of little difference to al Qeade).

I'd speculate that this "governor" is now under extreme "interest" of US Forces - He has been playing both sides if I had to make a guess - (he isn't alive because these thugs are turning weak, he is alive because he is in bed with them in some way or another).

Just my take as of now -

14 posted on 05/15/2005 9:45:30 AM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: ChicagoRepublican

Of course there is. But people want to feel a USA chant moment. The guy made a deal. This is the middle east.


28 posted on 05/15/2005 10:06:47 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: ChicagoRepublican
There's more to this story then is being let on.

Of course there is.

Since the operation has been announced as officially ended, Zark will claim he released the governor because he was victorious and the Americans left.

29 posted on 05/15/2005 10:08:20 AM PDT by DonnerT (Activist judges are secular Imams.)
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To: ChicagoRepublican

I don't even think he was "captured" ---I think he just split rather than answer hard questions from the guys with the amtracs.


45 posted on 05/15/2005 10:55:40 AM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: ChicagoRepublican
I agree with you.

In fact an AP story late this last week said the family was told he would be released if there was a trade for three US captured al Qaeda (?) or Zarqawi related terrorist.

I've been researching this aspect and can't find anything. Also wondering right now if the three of the "well dressed men" to took a seriously wounded Zarqawi to the hospital in Ramadi, and throwing American money at the doctor, weren't the four bodyguards of the kidnapped governor who had ro take care of Zarqawi or else the governor would be killed.

According to the doctor, Zarqawi was escorted into Ramadi general hospital by smartly dressed men. “He was bleeding heavily and his escorts were well dressed with a look about them that was different from the casualties and family members we had been receiving from the al-Qaim offensive,” he was quoted as saying.

“I treated his injury and asked that he remain in hospital for further observations and told him that we would have to register him and take down his name and details. But he became very nervous and agitated. He refused and told me he would not be staying.

“The three men with him asked me politely that he be allowed to leave hospital immediately and that I supply them with a prescription and a list of medication that he may need.”

The doctor, who recognised Zarqawi from his photograph on television, followed them to their vehicle to try to convince them that the patient should remain in hospital. At that point, he said, he saw machineguns. They threatened to kill him if he told anyone what he had seen.

They then produced a wad of US dollars to secure his silence. The doctor said that he had refused to take the cash.

From The (London) Sunday Times

Perhaps just a wild scenario but a lot of facts in both instances just don't add up.

48 posted on 05/15/2005 11:05:56 AM PDT by WmShirerAdmirer
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To: ChicagoRepublican
Do you think insurgents/Al Qaeda would willingly let go of this guy because of weakness. Hell, if they were weak, shouldn't they have killed him. There's more to this story then is being let on.

I agree. There's likely money involved.

57 posted on 05/15/2005 11:17:51 AM PDT by Coop (In memory of a true hero - Pat Tillman)
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To: ChicagoRepublican

It could just be a group of thugs not even affiliated with al Qaeda jumping on the bandwagon and looking for some easy money. Whether they got paid or not, we don't know. But I couldnt see AQ not taking the chance to kill someone.


96 posted on 05/15/2005 3:14:43 PM PDT by Zeppelin (Keep on FReepin' on.....)
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To: ChicagoRepublican

There is more to the story. The "more" is the fact that we didn't have to go into Al Qiam itself, because the locals were mad about their gov being taken hostage and the local warlord was helping root out the terrorists in the town.

Without the support from the locals, even by extortion, means the terrorists would have been in much worse shape going forward if they did kill a duly elected official!

This is above my pay-grade, but I say we ARE winning!


99 posted on 05/15/2005 4:42:30 PM PDT by SFC Chromey (Panama, Bosnia, Iraq, where next? I say retreat through Iran, then flank west through Syria!)
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To: ChicagoRepublican

There is more to the story, and that's the reason why it's a sign of weakness: the more is very simple, and doesn't require classified intelligence to piece together: blood feud.

This shows that the AQ insurgents

1. believe the governor's clan would launch a blood feud to avenge him, in spite of Koranic injunctions against helping infidels (which could be used as an excuse not to follow tradition, in this case, and launch a blood feud).

2. his clan is powerful enough that a blood vendeta by them added to the pressure from Iraqi government and coalition forces would destroy the insurgency, if not outright, at least to such a degree that it could not hinder the establishment of effective government control in all the provinces.

Thus, not directly, but indirectly, this is a sign of weakness.


100 posted on 05/15/2005 6:53:01 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (Christ is Risen! Christos Anesti! Khristos Voskrese! Al-Masih Qam! Hristos a Inviat!)
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To: ChicagoRepublican

I agree with you. Not sure what took place except that a person was kidnapped and is now free. Those guys don't just turn people lose because they are great humanitarians. They got something in return for his release.


102 posted on 05/15/2005 7:27:06 PM PDT by fightin kentuckian
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