Some Sunnis Hint at Peace Terms in Iraq, U.S. Says

New York Times ^ | May 15, 2005 | STEVEN R. WEISMAN and JOHN F. BURNS

[Dog]

This is why you are hearing of suicide bombings in Tikrit....Bayji...Samerra... and other cities in the Sunni triangle.

[sgtbono2002]

First we had Saddam killing these people , mass murders, then we had insurgents and people coming in from Iran to kill more people, Now we have Sunnis killing people because they arent running the country. I cant help it but personally I have had a bellyfull of it. Now we have half the Islamic world in an up roar over flushing their Koran down the toilet. Europe is no friend of ours. Why are we dealing with these idiots. Lets get out.Lets gather our troops and get out. Let them kill each other. We just bring our troops home from all over the world and stop all foreign aid and look out for ourselves. Put a wall on our borders, close all our markets, become self sufficient and the hell with them all. Yeah I know its just a rant, but for real . arent we all getting tired of beating our head against the wall?

[glorgau]

Give them the same terms we offered the Nazis - unconditional surrender.

[Longbow1969]

"The officials said American contacts with what they called 'rejectionist' elements among Sunni Arabs - the governing minority under Saddam Hussein, which has generated much of the insurgency, and largely boycotted January's elections - showed that many wanted to join in the political system, including the writing of a permanent constitution."

The media spends a lot of time harping on the great need to appoint more Sunni's, who are only around 20% of Iraq's population, to powerful cabinet positions such as Defense and Interior. The drumbeat from CBSNBCABCCNNPBSMSNBC that the Iraqi government be more "inclusive" is endless. Nevermind that the Shiites and Kurds are essentially 80% of the population. Nevermind that the Sunni's spent the last several decades oppressing the vast majority of the people.

I've got an idea I think will make the American/Western media happy. How about we just appoint "insurgents" to positions of great power in the Iraqi government? Further, we can encourage the appointment of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi to Interior so that the Jordanian illegal immigrant populace in Iraq can feel represented. And to really please the Sunni's, why not just appoint Saddam Hussein Prime Minister? He's still hanging around somewhere writing memoirs - I'm sure he'd be up for it. Ibrahim al-Jaafari can wait till some other time to be Prime Minister. Afterall, inclusiveness is far more important than those silly elections right?

Longbow

[goldstategop]

The Shiites and the Kurds understandably do not want to expose their own throats to those bent on slitting them. What is the business of America that America-hating Sunnis be given more influence in a government whose election they openly boycotted? Pardon me if I don't understand the logic driving our recommendations to the new Iraqi government. The Ba'athist renegades and Islamist terrorists need to be wiped out, not coddled with concessions they do not deserve. Those who have the blood of innocent Iraqis on their hands should have no place in a democratic government and no one who uses violence to get what they can't get at the ballot box deserves a reward. Now if only our own government would get it.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)

[river rat]

The jury is still out, that one can achieve a durable enlightened "democratic nation" in an area with a majority of Islamists who have too much vested interest in keeping the people ignorant and terrorized.

Semper Fi

[Americanexpat]

This Mr. Kubba, who hid out in the US in exile and did not come out from under his bed until after the US liberated his country is wrong. It is our business Kubba and there are at least 2,000 reasons why, all of them came home in body bags to give you this chance to rebuild your phoucing country. Don't tell me it is none of our business.

[goldstategop]

We can have an opinion. But ultimately, its a question for Iraqis to settle through the political process. That's open to the Sunni Arabs. They're ones who have to decide what kind of future they want in their country.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)

[minus_273]

hmm north korea called, they want their juche idea back. Seriously, you just stated Juche word for word. That is quite scary.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

North Korea is now ready to talk to the south Koreans....hmmmmm....

[DTogo]

The Bush administration, struggling to cope with a recent intensification of insurgent violence in Iraq, has received signals from some radical Sunni Arab leaders that they would abandon fighting if the new Shiite majority government gave Sunnis a significant voice in the country's political evolution, administration officials said this week.

What a bunch of crap! The Iraqis are the one's struggling and dying en masse.

I bet the DNC wish they could pull a few pages from the Islamofascist bastards' handbook to get the GOP to include them. But since we have a spineless GOP full of RINOs, they don't have to.

[Marine_Uncle]

" The council's secretary general, Fakhri al-Qaisi, a Baghdad dentist...... I think it's a scheme to wipe us out, destroy us," he said. "Their slogans about democracy are all lies."

Wonder if this guy has ever read any Early American history.
As for 20% Sunni to 40% or more..........Yea right pee head. So all that has been known about Iraq is suddenly incorrect.
Guess he had been drilling to many holes over the years, and mistakes the fillings for census counts.

[Marine_Uncle]

"Saleh Mutlak......said.......We could not reach anything with him," he said. "He speaks in a vague way. He never comes to the point."

Truly the time is ripe to kidnap Big John Kerry and airdrop him over baggy dad. That will show these goons that they have few problems.

[sgtbono2002]

It was a rant that was brought on by disgust for the lives we are losing in helping a people that dont want to be helped. They just want to kill each other and us.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Truly the time is ripe to kidnap Big John Kerry and airdrop him over baggy dad. That will show these goons that they have few problems.

ROFL!

John Kerry is who I thought of when I read that!

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

I was trying to figure out what you were talking about....but I found this:

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Juche

Juche
Korean Name
McCune-Reischauer McCune-Reischauer is one of the two most widely used Korean language romanization systems, along with the Revised Romanization of Korean, which replaced McCune-Reischauer as the official romanization system in South Korea in 2000. A variant of McCune-Reischauer is used as the official system in North Korea. The system was created in 1937 by two Americans: George M. McCune and Edwin O. ..... Click the link for more information.	Chuch'e
Revised Romanization The Revised Romanization of Korean is the official Korean language romanization system in South Korea. The system was released by South Korean authorities in 2000 and is the South Korean official replacement for the 1984 McCune-Reischauer-based romanization system. The new system is similar to the system used before 1984, except that the old system did not faithfully represent sound changes in consonants, a prominent feature of Korean pronunciation. ..... Click the link for more information.	Juche
Hangul Hangul is the native alphabet used to write the Korean language (as opposed to the Hanja system borrowed from China). For other romanized spellings of "Hangul," please see Names below. While Hangul writing may appear ideographic to the uninitiated, it is actually phonetic. Each Hangul syllabic block consists of several of the 24 letters (jamo)—14 consonants and 10 vowels. Historically, the alphabet had 3 more consonants and 1 more vowel (See Obsolete Jamo). For a table of phonological descriptions of each letters, see Phonology. ..... Click the link for more information.	주체
Hanja Hanja (lit. Han character(s)), or Hanmun (한문; 漢文), sometimes translated as Sino-Korean characters, are what Chinese characters (Hanzi) are called in Korean, but specifically, they refer to those that the Korean language borrowed and incorporated into their own language, changing their pronunciation. Unlike the Japanese Kanji, which has altered and simplified many characters, Hanja are almost entirely identical to modern traditional Chinese Hanzi, although a minority of the standard characters of Hanja are variant Hanzi also used in standard Kanji. ..... Click the link for more information.	主體

Juche (pronounced "Joo-cheh"), also Kimilsungism, is the official government-sponsored ideology of North Korea
National motto: One is sure to win if one believes in and depends upon the people
Official language Korean
Capital P'yŏngyang
Eternal president Kim Il-sung (deceased)
Chairman, National Defence Commission Kim Jong-il¹
President, Presidium of the Supreme People's Assembly Kim Yong-nam²
Premier Pak Pong-ju
Area
  - Total

..... Click the link for more information. . The name is Korean

The Korean language is the most widely used language in Korea, and is the official language of both North and South Korea. The language is also spoken widely in neighbouring Yanbian, China. Worldwide, there are around 78 million Korean speakers, including large groups in the former Soviet Union, the United States, Canada, Brazil and Japan. Proper classification of Korean is not universally agreed on, but it is often considered by many to be a language isolate. Some linguists instead group it in the Altaic family of languages.
..... Click the link for more information. for "self-reliance"; in this sense autarchy An autarky is an economy that does no trade with the outside world and relies entirely on its own resources. It is also referred to as a "closed economy".

Today autarky is found very rarely. An example of a currently run autarky is North Korea, but even it has a small amount of trade between China and Japan.

In the past, fascism imposed autarky in Italy after an embargo sanctioned by
..... Click the link for more information.. Juche has developed from Stalinism

Stalinism is a term for a brand of political theory and the political and economic system implemented by Joseph Stalin in the Soviet Union. Leon Trotsky described the system as totalitarian and this description has become widely used by critics of Stalinism.

Stalinism as political theory

The term "Stalinism" is sometimes used to denote a brand of communist theory, dominating
..... Click the link for more information. and the teachings of Kim Il-sung; it is often confused with Stalinism proper, despite important differences.

Juche has been promoted by the North Korean government and educational system since the term was first used in a 1955

1955 is a common year starting on Saturday.

Events

January

• January 2 - Panama president Jose Antonio Remon is assassinated.
• January 19 - The Scrabble board game debuts.

February

• February 8 - Nikolai Bulganin ousts Georgi Malenkov
• February 13 - Israel obtains 4 of the 7 Dead Sea scrolls.
• February 23 - First meeting of the Southeast Asia Treaty Organization (SEATO).

..... Click the link for more information.  speech by Kim Il Sung. At first, the ideology consisted of two fundamental ideas: that the proletarian revolution belonged to the people, and that the masses must be organized by a great leader. In the 1970s Millennia: 1st millennium - 2nd millennium - 3rd millennium

Centuries: 19th century - 20th century - 21st century

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Years: 1970 1971 1972 1973 1974 1975 1976 1977 1978 1979

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Computers, technology

• Microprocessors are developed - used first in industrial applications and after that also in consumer products
• Pocket calculators make the slide rule obsolete.
• Home computer revolution starts
• Unix created along with C programming language
• Microsoft is founded (1975)

..... Click the link for more information. , Kim introduced a refined analogy: that the leader is the brain to the body of the people, and that the Korean Workers' Party The Workers Party of Korea (WPK) is the ruling party of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK), commonly known as North Korea. It is also called Korean Workers' Party(KWP). WPK has held absolute power in the DPRK since 1945, and in that time has had only two leaders, Kim Il-sung (1945-1994) and his son, Kim Jong-il, (since 1994). The party is widely viewed by foreigners as Stalinist and is the closest thing to a traditional Stalinist ruling party in the world today. However, the WPK claims to have its own distinct ideology (Juche) which it considers to be a further development of "Marxism-Leninism."
..... Click the link for more information.  is, in turn, the nervous system that communicates with the brain on behalf of the people.

From an economic standpoint, Juche also calls for North Korea to be self-sufficient in industry and services, with as little foreign aid or interference as possible, and it has been applied more strenuously since the 1960's. Most of the economic focus has been on heavy industry, military spending, and agriculture, which North Korea considers its basic mainstays.

Juche was first conceived at a time when the USSR The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) (Russian: Сою́з Сове́тских Социалисти́ческих Респу́блик (СССР); tr.: Soyuz Sovetskikh Sotsialisticheskikh Respublik (SSSR))
..... Click the link for more information.  and China

Official language Chinese¹
Capital Beijing
Largest city Shanghai
President Hu Jintao
Premier Wen Jiabao
Area
 - Total
 - % water Ranked 4th
9,596,960 km²
2.8%
Population
 - Total (2004)
 - Density Ranked 1st
1,298,847,624
135/km²
Establishment
 - Date Chinese Civil War

..... Click the link for more information. were vying for influence over North Korea's internal affairs; many historians view the emergence of Juche as Kim Il Sung's way of continually reasserting the state's independence. One noteworthy demonstration of this was the Juche-influenced Chollima (later known as Taean) economic campaign of the 1960s Centuries: 19th century - 20th century - 21st century

Decades: 1900s 1910s 1920s 1930s 1940s 1950s - 1960s - 1970s 1980s 1990s 2000s 2010s

Years: 1960 1961 1962 1963 1964 1965 1966 1967 1968 1969

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The 1960s was a turbulent decade of change around the world. Many of the trends of the 1960s were due to the demographic changes brought about by the baby boom generation and the dissolution of European colonial empires. (See The Sixties.)
..... Click the link for more information., where the government placed the economy under the strict control of the military in an attempt to build it up independently of Soviet support.

In 1977

For the album by Ash, see 1977 (album).

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• January 1 - First woman Episcopal priest ordained.
• January 6 - EMI sacks the Sex Pistols
• January 18 - Scientists identify a previously unknown bacterium as the cause of the mysterious "legionnaire's disease"
• January 18 - Australia experiences its worst railway disaster at Granville, near Sydney, in which 83 people died.

..... Click the link for more information. , Juche replaced Marxism in the North Korean constitution, solidifying its position in the state's government and society.

Admirers of Kim Jong Il in many countries have formed Juche Study Groups in order to promote the idea. Opponents of Juche might suggest, however, that these groups do not critically study the concept but rather exist to grasp the truth which they believe is already present therein.

Some sociologists and other overseas scholars have likened Juche to a religious movement. They have claimed that the modern ideology indicates that adherents can achieve immortal life by shaping the immortal state and that the leader, according to Juche literature, is received in the same language in which Korean Christians

For other uses of the term Christian, see Christian (disambiguation).

Christianity is an Abrahamic religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth as described in the New Testament. Although Christians generally characterize themselves as monotheistic, the one God is most commonly, but not universally, thought to
..... Click the link for more information.  would receive communion The word communion can refer to

• the Eucharist, or the act of receiving the Eucharist; or
• a group of churches in full communion with each other, or the relationship of full communion between Christian religious denominations; or
• the Communion of Saints; or
• a 1976 film; see Communion (1976 movie); or
• a 1987 autobiographical book by Whitley Strieber; see Communion (book); or
• a 1989 film based on Strieber's book; see Communion (1989 movie).

..... Click the link for more information. . Juche authorities state that the idea is a secular one.

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[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Damn....where did all that come from?

[Allegra]

Lets get out.Lets gather our troops and get out. Let them kill each other. We just bring our troops home from all over the world and stop all foreign aid and look out for ourselves.

Get out after all that our troops and their families back home have sacrificed? What a slap in their faces that would be.

This is going to work. It's going to take time and the Bush Adminsitration has stated that since before the war began. Most of the Iraqis are decent people who just want peace and freedom. The media distorts the reports to make it look like they're all terrorists. The Iraqis are helping the coalition forces get the bad guys.

The terrorists lost their war on January 30th when they failed to intimidate the citizens at the voting polls. Eventually, the country will stabilize. It isn't going to happen overnight and that's been obvious to anyone who has been paying attention.

[Marine_Uncle]

"ROFL! John Kerry is who I thought of when I read that!"

Stay safe. nighty nite.