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Firing Smokers - Reading Beyond the Headlines
United Pro Smoker's Rights ^ | 5-11-05 | Stephanie Armour

Posted on 05/14/2005 8:42:05 AM PDT by SheLion

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To: Tabi Katz

And overloaded courts are part of the problem with the high cost of insurance....thus the high costs of medical service and thus the high cost of doing business......period.


41 posted on 05/14/2005 9:19:58 AM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: SheLion
Is this the next step for the American work force? Makes me shudder.

Coporate totalitarianism. We let these people get away with things we would NEVER allow our government to do.
42 posted on 05/14/2005 9:20:01 AM PDT by SolidRedState (E Pluribus Funk --- (Latin taglines are sooooo cool! Don't ya think?))
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To: Libertina
Don't get caught up in this. Companies have no right to dictate our personal lives. Next would be genetic testing to see who "will" get "sick." It is a dangerous precendent. But most of all, we need to stop our "helpful" governent from actively pushing up health care costs by funding illegal aliens, setting mandatory insurance benefits, and insisting hospitals treat patients for free. We don't want to get side-traked, then divided on this one folks...

I agree.  There is a hidden agenda in this if you ask me!

43 posted on 05/14/2005 9:20:11 AM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: Gabz
You can't post that comment without the requisite logo :)

What logo is that?

44 posted on 05/14/2005 9:21:03 AM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: Nathaniel Fischer
I don't plan to depend on anyone else for a job.

That's nice, sonny.

I hope your plans don't have to change.

45 posted on 05/14/2005 9:21:04 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: SheLion
I think he should have grand fathered this new condition of employment.

I agree, but I'm not sure it should be a law. We are already being legislated and adjudicated up the wazoo.

46 posted on 05/14/2005 9:21:48 AM PDT by Tabi Katz
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To: SheLion
Total estimated medical costs for 2003 were 1.7 Trillion dollars; ironically this includes cost of insurance which seems senseless as a component except for the argument that insurance companies are the major health care expense.
47 posted on 05/14/2005 9:23:15 AM PDT by Old Professer (As darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence of good; innocence is blind.)
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To: SheLion
I had a conversation with a b!tch I work with that went something like this:

I was standing outside smoking, she saw me and said "You really shouldn't do that"

"Why?  I like it."

"It's bad for you and rude to others"

"Do you drive to work?"

"What's that got to do with it?"

"Well, I walk to and from work.  You people who commute do more damage than me smoking."

"No we don't"

"Sure you do.  Tell you what, let's go to your car and run a hose from the tailpipe into the interior.  You get in it and I'll stand outside.   When you start the car, I'll light a cigarette.  When I'm done smoking the cigarette, I'll go back into work but you won't because you'll be dead."

She hasn't talked to me since then.

As far as I'm concerned, if you own a car you have removed yourself from the "smoking argument".

48 posted on 05/14/2005 9:25:39 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (“I know a great deal about the Middle East because I’ve been raising Arabian horses" Patrick Swazey)
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To: SheLion

My mistake - the logo I was thinking of is the Lung Association not the Cancer Society - so sorry.

But the lies are all the same I get confused sometimes :)


49 posted on 05/14/2005 9:25:45 AM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: SheLion

I thought I heard that junkies and alcoholics can't be fired because they are "Americans with Disabilities". I think it's time for the ACLU to get cigarette smokers categorized the same way.


50 posted on 05/14/2005 9:26:14 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Gabz
I love the sissies that start fake coughing and waving their arms at the imagined smoke!!!!!!

I actually had a tablefull of folks try this with me in the SMOKING section of a restaurant (seems they couldn't see the big-screen TV from the non-smoking section). I promptly lit up.

51 posted on 05/14/2005 9:26:51 AM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: Psycho_Bunny

I have offered a similar challenge to the anti-smoker nannies - it's funny not a single one of them has ever taken me up on it.


52 posted on 05/14/2005 9:27:17 AM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: Old Professer
Total estimated medical costs for 2003 were 1.7 Trillion dollars; ironically this includes cost of insurance which seems senseless as a component except for the argument that insurance companies are the major health care expense.

Well, if health insurance company's are so worried about people's health, why are they just singling out the smoker's?  We all know that life involves a risk of some sort.  Yet they continually bash the smoker's.


53 posted on 05/14/2005 9:27:44 AM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: Psycho_Bunny
As far as I'm concerned, if you own a car you have removed yourself from the "smoking argument".

That's a good one.  And kudo's for you for sticking up for your rights.  She had a lot of nerve!  None of her damn business!

54 posted on 05/14/2005 9:29:33 AM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: Gabz

Yes--remember well when McCain trotted out these same figures, along with the notions that smoking causes PREMATURE DEATH (?) and that second-hand smoke was a carcinogen. No one bothered to tell the senator that death was either always or never "premature" and that the second-hand-smoke claim included factory- and car-emissions, smog, fog, noxious fumes from burning, etc., etc., where actual cigarette smoke failed to reach even the 1% mark. Now--we discover that second-hand cigarette smoke accounted for ZERO deaths!

Yet to rely on the "lifestyle decisions" contention seems equally contemptible. Strange how these insurance companies won't improve the health of their work forces by demanding BEHAVIOR that prevents AIDS, "premature" pregnancies, abortions, suicides, and depression.


55 posted on 05/14/2005 9:30:48 AM PDT by Mach9 (.)
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To: SheLion
Exactly! Everyone should be particularly interested in the very last paragraph. "other risky activity"?? There is no end to those! It could end up completely dissolving the dignity of risk!

IMO this is where the fight needs to start, with emphasis on that. If smoking, then what next.
56 posted on 05/14/2005 9:30:53 AM PDT by gidget7 (Get GLSEN out of our schools!!!!!!)
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To: Libertina

You hit the nail on the head. If health care costs were not so out of whack, this would not be an issue.

I too suspect that illegal aliens getting free health care has a whole lot to do with the ever increasing cost of health care. The higher it gets, the more companies will try to place lifestyle restrictions on their employees.

Its funny, I smoke, and have had many jobs where I had insurance. I never ended up using it much if at all, while I watched other non smoking employees run to the Dr every other day cus they had a cough or cold.


57 posted on 05/14/2005 9:31:58 AM PDT by eXe (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: elkfersupper

A couple of years ago there was a large group of us out for drinks and light supper. There were non smokers in our group but we were in the smoking section of the place. A table of folks came in, ordered drinks and promptly started complaining about the smoking at our table. The waitress and the manager explained it was the smoking section and they were quite welcome to adjourn to the adjacent non-smoking room.............that wasn't good enough for them. They then refused to pay for their drinks since their request was not met. At the suggestion of one of the non-smokers in our group we paid the tab just to get them out of there.

Of course that was well before nannies like that group got smoking banned in Delaware.


58 posted on 05/14/2005 9:32:31 AM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: Mach9
You are preaching to the choir, my FRiend.

Strange how these insurance companies won't improve the health of their work forces by demanding BEHAVIOR that prevents AIDS, "premature" pregnancies, abortions, suicides, and depression.

The don't because the anti-smoker jihadist have convinced them that those things are all "caused" by smoking.........

59 posted on 05/14/2005 9:35:05 AM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: Tabi Katz
...or wearing red on Sundays.

As long as they don't make me wear green on Thursdays.

60 posted on 05/14/2005 9:35:33 AM PDT by uglybiker (A woman's most powerful weapon is a guy's imagination.)
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