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To: MamaTexan

Fascinating info.....just curious if you draw a distinction between a state citizen and fed'l citizen and how does one become a 14th Amendment fed'l citizen? Been to meetings where this has been discussed at length and the prevailing thought it's through birth certificates, SS #, etc.


72 posted on 05/17/2005 2:43:01 PM PDT by american spirit
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To: american spirit
Actually, I've intended to try to find more info on the state vs federal citizens. I've seen it mentioned thogh, and from what I can tell, we were intended to BE state citizens outside of Washington D.C.

Been to meetings where this has been discussed at length and the prevailing thought it's through birth certificates, SS #, etc.

Personally, I believe acquiring a SS # creates what is called a 'legal entity' or artificial 'person'.

Kind of hard to do legally though since the SS application is missing the three necessary ingredients for a legally binding contract....
knowledge (did you KNOW you were creating a legal entity?), consent(did you consent to this creation of a legal entity?), or full disclosure (were you told what would happen after you created a legal entity?).

As a natural person, we have rights

(from Nolo.com)

natural person

A living, breathing human being, as opposed to a legal entity such as a corporation. Different rules and protections apply to natural persons and corporations, such as the Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination, which applies only to natural persons.

As a *legal* entity, we ARE and HAVE nothing except what government grants us.

73 posted on 05/17/2005 3:07:03 PM PDT by MamaTexan (The foundation of a *Republic* -- Man owes obedience to his Creator...NOT his creation!)
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