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To: pigdog
Are you trying to say that your pose #835 is not an endorsement of the IT when you say "As I have stated before, the Fairtax would reduce my current costs by about 4% and that is without considering any additional taxes imposed on my overhead costs including rent, advertising, utilities, fuel, and capital equipment. And without adding the NRST back on top of my prices."?

Gosh, are you retarded or something? Just where in my post do you see the income tax mentioned?

Sure sounds exactly like that to me, but of course I'm stupid.

As you demonstrate again and again.

I don't even know what you refer to when you talk of "other options on the table". I take that to mean realistic ones ... what might they be? The Nightmare VAT/Flat perhaps?

Proud of your ignorance are you? You can remedy it at www.taxreformpanel.gov, if you are not afraid to do so.

Also, the "automatic" raising you mention to accomodate skyrocketing liberal spending is nowhere in the FairTax bill.

I suppose another demonstration of your ignorance must make you feel really good.

See Section 101 at http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h109-25 and then read the definition of the annual rates to be determined by the Social Security Administration. You might also want to read the section on the (at least) annual meetings to “improve” the system.

There's no point in fighting the spending battle until the tax system can be brought under control since with the IT, the tax-raising can easily enough be hidden by a great variety of means - and the citizens needn't know so they blame the pols (as obviously you don't).

Given up already, have you? Yes, the NRST is for those who have already surrendered to the socialist state.

946 posted on 05/22/2005 1:49:26 PM PDT by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: balrog666
Yes, the INCOME TAX is for those who have already surrendered to the socialist state.

There's no way to tame the spending beast under the income tax, flat or graduated.

947 posted on 05/22/2005 2:39:51 PM PDT by Principled
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To: balrog666

Not using the phrase "income tax" is certainly no excuse for trying to pretend you're not attempting to defend it by trying to attack the fairtax. Looey and several others have been trying that for years and have never been successful. You won't either.

I've spent extensive amounts of time reviewing the Tax Panel papers AND resulting comments as have several others. What I find to clearly be the case is that the comments on the 2nd request name the FairTax more than any other single tax plan - by far. The VAT (and no Nightmare VAT is even offered) and/or Flat (and again, No Nightmare Flat is offered) receive a relative few comments plus a few othe marginal plans. It is clear than many Americans are "getting it" about the benefits of the FairTax even if some of you SQL-folk on this thread do not.

As for "automatic increases", read the bill again yourself. The Sec. 101 you refer to is about:
SEC. 101. INCOME TAXES REPEALED.

Subtitle A of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 (relating to income taxes and self-employment taxes) is repealed."

It says nothing about the SSA determining your rate. NOTHING.

The spending battle will really begin after the FairTax is in place, not before.



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948 posted on 05/22/2005 2:43:27 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: balrog666

"Given up already, have you? Yes, the NRST is for those who have already surrendered to the socialist state."

Sounds like Bruce Bartlett's advocacy of a VAT to me.


950 posted on 05/22/2005 4:03:21 PM PDT by phil_will1
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