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My son-in-law, who is Dutch, told me several years ago, "Holland is finished." I fear that the rest of at least "old Europe" is also finished, and I don't see many saviors of western civilization coming forward to stem the tide of aggressive, voracious, militant Islam.
1 posted on 05/12/2005 12:57:49 PM PDT by CHARLITE
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I do believe that when push comes to shove the French will reach down and grab their balls and fight back with a vengeance that could make Kosovo look like a spit ball fight. I could be wrong but I hope I'm not. It's one thing to be over run by Nazi Germany and quite another to be ruled by foreign Islomfacist.
45 posted on 05/12/2005 1:53:25 PM PDT by BBell
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It is happening now in the US only right now it is the influx of illegal immigrants we need to worry about first!

For now, we should not allow any more "mosques" or islamic centers built in the USofA until every "mooselimb" country allows Christian schools and churches be built in their nations!


47 posted on 05/12/2005 1:56:44 PM PDT by texson66 ("Tyranny is yielding to the lust of the governing." - Lord Moulton)
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"...chosen not as a cross-section of public schools, but rather as schools typical of those where religious expression has become a problem because of the high concentration of ethnic and religious minorities. Many are located in ethnically segregated neighborhoods now often referred to, the report says, "by analogy with the United States, as 'ghettos.'"

Interesting...so the schools where the studies were done were in areas where there are are mostly muslims. I wonder what the schools are like in areas that are mainly French born.


48 posted on 05/12/2005 1:59:31 PM PDT by FeliciaCat (I like my money where I can see it...hanging in my closet.)
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50 posted on 05/12/2005 2:08:39 PM PDT by StoneGiant
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Obin also emphasizes that many conversions to Islam are taking place under duress

The french had best get used to this. Either that, or do something about it ! Someday, they are not going to have a choice of comfortably basking in their Gallic secularism...

Even though most of the Muslim kids are actually French citizens, they see themselves as Muslims first

No surprise here. Why would they consider themselves on equal terms with the Infidel? That goes completely against their religious precepts.

Obin explains his disturbing findings as the result primarily of indoctrination orchestrated over years by international Muslim organizations

CAIR, anybody?

The goal... is to take the Muslim residents of France out of the French nation and make them think of themselves as part of the international Muslim community

Hasn't Mr. Obin ever heard of the Umma? Where has he been all these years? That's a basic tenet of the Islam religion!

Obin calls for a policy of no compromise with Islamist demands

At last. Somebody "gets" it!

Still unclear is how French educators can be expected to hang tough while their government refuses to own up to the problem

We have the same problem over here. PC is going to mean the death of the West!

51 posted on 05/12/2005 2:11:04 PM PDT by Gritty ("The 'sleeping giant' may be hard to wake up,but his European pals are in irreversible comas-M Steyn)
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I fear that the rest of at least "old Europe" is also finished, and I don't see many saviors of western civilization coming forward to stem the tide of aggressive, voracious, militant Islam.

I think you're right.

52 posted on 05/12/2005 2:12:36 PM PDT by neutrino (Globalization “is the economic treason that dare not speak its name.” (173))
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For pessimism on another front, see the article that could have been entitled: The Christianization of American Schools - A disturbing report (Is the USA Finished already?)
55 posted on 05/12/2005 2:21:28 PM PDT by The Great Yazoo ("Happy is the boy who discovers the bent of his life-work during childhood." Sven Hedin)
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...ethnically segregated neighborhoods now often referred to, the report says, "by analogy with the United States, as 'ghettos.'"

What a fascinating and revealing usage. "Ghetto," is, of course, not an American but a European - probably Italian - word, and it refers to a closed, walled community...of Jews. Reference.

It is common in European intellectual circles to decry the expulsion of the Moors from Spain as an example of intolerance and to flatter themselves that they are much more enlightened these days. That's the biggest hazard in reading history - one assumes that because one knows how it all came out that one is smarter than the people one is reading about. It isn't true, of course. And this may be a case where the old Europeans were right and the new ones fools.

60 posted on 05/12/2005 2:44:41 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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Charles "The Hammer" Martel is spinning in his grave...


65 posted on 05/12/2005 3:25:18 PM PDT by Pharmboy ("Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God")
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I don't see many saviors of western civilization coming forward to stem the tide of aggressive, voracious, militant Islam.

Western civilization is finished. America will be the last to fall - but fall we will. So you are right saying that no one will defend Europe. In fact, I predict wholesale slaughter of anyone who doesn't join the Islamic religion in the whole of Europe. Hope the French are happy. The idiots allowed illegal immigration and lost their country. America has allowed illegal immigration and are in the process of losing ours.

72 posted on 05/12/2005 4:59:35 PM PDT by swampfox98 (Michael Reagan: "It's time to stop the flood.")
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France = Woody Allen's Paradise.
74 posted on 05/13/2005 8:12:31 AM PDT by DoctorMichael (The Fourth Estate is a Fifth Column!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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I hope we open our eyes and see what is coming our way and take steps to prevent it, but I am not optimistic.
Thanks for posting.


75 posted on 05/13/2005 8:24:17 AM PDT by kalee
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Western civ ping


76 posted on 05/13/2005 8:24:52 AM PDT by kalee
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A Dutch friend who has been living in the US for 30 years recently returned to Holland to visit relatives. She said that the moment she stepped off the plane, she thought she was in the Middle East.

The cancer of Islam has metastasized thoughout Europe. It is only a matter time for the rest of the civilized world unless decisive action is taken to eradicate Islam. Islam is NOT a religion. It is a militant movement to take over the world.


77 posted on 05/13/2005 8:32:59 AM PDT by ArmedNReady
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