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To: familyop

Sorry I got flamed so much I got confused. The point of this Post got lost somewhere among the feminazi's. The point is what kind of crappy Chaplain would want to take Christ out of the Air Force Academy. We found out. One named Matilda.


269 posted on 05/12/2005 8:57:11 PM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: sgtbono2002
That's alright. It was pretty funny. And yes, there are groups in universities specifically for injecting more feminism/humanism into churches and synagogues. It's been going on for a long time.

I've been studying the early history of Christianity for some time, which led me to begin a study of the Torah in Hebrew (and the rest of the Tanakh soon--long story). But here's some information that I had archived and that might be of interest.

"Sodomite" is a word that I haven't found in the NIV (New International Version), although it is in other, older versions.

A feminist lesbian named Virginia Mollenkott helped to write the NIV. Here's some info on Mollenkott.

The New International Version - 1978
http://www.revelationwebsite.co.uk/index1/kjv/mouth4.htm#niv

Let's read something else Ms. Mollenkott had to say.

{2}Virginia Mollenkott wrote, in a letter to Christian Century (March 7, 1984, p. 252), "I am beginning to wonder whether indeed Christianity is patriarchal to its very core. If so, count me out. Some of us may be forced to leave Christianity in order to participate in Jesus' discipleship of equals."

I saw that on the following book page.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.leaderu.com/orgs/cbmw/rbmw/chapter26.html
"Charity, Clarity, and Hope: The Controversy and the Cause of Christ," John Piper and Wayne Grudem

"Two New Organizations: Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood Christians for Biblical Equality"

(Recovering Biblical Manhood and Womanhood A Response to Evangelical Feminism Wayne Grudem and John Piper)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

And that's the older NIV, by the way--not the new "gender inclusive" version.

Of Barker's statement (Wayne Jackson, _From Their Own Mouths - Bible Modifiers_):

"This is a very cleverly worded statement and one which we can allow Virginia Mollenkott to answer herself. In a letter to me [Michael J. Penfold] dated Dec. 18th 1996, in reply to my investigation into her true role on the NIV, Mollenkott wrote the following revealing letter:

[Virginia Mollenkott writes] "I worked on the NIV during the entire time it was being translated and reviewed, although I was never free to attend the summer sessions even when I was invited to do so. Elisabeth Elliot and I were the Stylistic Consultants: our job was simply to make sure the translation would communicate clearly to modern American readers, and that the style was as smooth and understandable as possible. I was never removed, sacked, or made redundant from my work on the NIV; if I were, my name would not have appeared on the list sent out by the IBS. It was Dr. Edwin Palmer, who lived near my college, who invited me to work on the NIV. He had heard me speak and respected my integrity and my knowledge. So far as I know, nobody including Dr. Palmer suspected that I was lesbian while I was working on the NIV; it was information I kept private at that time. Dr. Palmer always sent me the batches of translating to review, and I always returned them (with my comments) to him. I have not kept track of which of my suggestions made it into the final version; I am a busy person, and it was a labour love in the scriptures. I do not think anything concerning homosexuality was in any of the batches I reviewed. I do not consider the NIV more gay-friendly than most modern translations, so I do not understand why anybody would want to bash the NIV because a closeted lesbian worked on it. I was not a translator; if I were I would have argued that the word/concept "homosexual" is too anachronistic to be utilised in translating an ancient text. But I was a stylist and nobody asked me. I no longer have any contact with the NIV-CBT, but I am often amused to remember that I frequently refused my $5 an hour stipend because I heard the project was running out of money. At the time I was naive about how many millions of dollars are made by a successful Bible translation! Please tell Kenneth Barker for me that although there is much controversy about homosexuality among Biblical scholars, to my knowledge nobody denies that the Bible condemns lying about other people. He should be ashamed of his attempt to rewrite history."

"Somewhere in my files is the letter I got thanking me for my work on the NIV when the project was completed. I also have the slipcase version sent out to the whole NIV team in 1978 by Zondervan; and I have the tenth-anniversary edition sent out to the whole team in 1988 by the International Bible Society. Various other editions were also sent out gratis to the translation committee and stylists, but I have received nothing since 1988 that I can remember. Because I am idealistic and sincere, it never occurred to me that anyone would lie about my contributions, so I was not meticulous about keeping records. Thank you for anything you can do to set the record straight. You may utilise this letter to do so, and I'd appreciate you sending me a copy of anything you generate. Sincerely, Virginia Ramey Mollenkott."


...thus, one of many rebuttals to Barker. And there were the opinions of the homosexual NIV translator Chairman on homosexuality, Dr. Marten H. Woudstra (Michael Penfold's research, Woudstra's report for the Christian Reformed Church, 1973, Blair, Boomsma, his other colleagues).

Woudstra told the Christian Reformed Church, "There is nothing in the Old Testament that corresponds to homosexuality as we understand it today."
274 posted on 05/12/2005 9:09:21 PM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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