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To: nosofar
"Just speculating here. Allow them to live and work here, which is easy since they'll be living and working here anyway. But they can never become citizens with voting rights and access to government benefits without going through the proper channels. Link this with a requirement for a national id card. Penalize employers who hire illegals. I'm beginning to think Bush's basic idea may be the only way to go."

That is NOT going to go on for long. Our judges will NEVER permit a permanent "slave class" in the USA. This is what is going to happen instead, when the judiciary eventually takes up this case.

(And our leaders will pretend to be SHOCKED! at this outcome, which they are doing all they can to see happens.)

Fernando Ortiz was a ‘landscape engineer’ on Long Island who had demanded to be able to vote, on the basis that he had been paying state and federal taxes for ten years. Actually, he had been stopped from casting a ballot by a poll watcher who had suspected his citizenship status, and (illegally, as it turned out) demanded proof of his identity and legal qualification to vote. Ortiz had won a multi-million dollar settlement against the Republican Party of New York in the subsequent “racial profiling and ethnic intimidation” civil suit, but he did not stop there.

Instead, with massive support from the ACLU and various Hispanic “immigrants rights” foundations, he had pressed his demand to be allowed to vote all the way to the Supreme Court…and he won. The Supreme Court, in its famous 5-4 decision, ruled that negligence in securing America’s borders against illegal immigration on the part of the federal government, could not be held against “undocumented workers who played by the rules and paid their taxes,” once they were established in America—legally or not. The federal government had not taken reasonable efforts to secure the border, and had not pursued "undocumented workers" in the USA. Instead, it openly permitted them most of the benefits of citizenship, and it collected their taxes. "No taxation without representation!" was the cry heard all the way to the Supreme Court. The State of New York had then sleep-walked through an aimless and desultory case for denying the vote—and citizenship—to “undocumented workers.”

Following Ortiz v. New York, a stunned America woke up to discover that there were not only an amazing twenty-two million illegal aliens hiding in plain sight across the land, but that eight million of them immediately qualified to vote. In a nation split 50-50 down party and ideological lines, these eight million new voters were recognized to be the certain majority-makers in future elections, and both parties set record lows for cravenness in pandering to their “needs.” Chief among their “needs” were liberal new family reunification laws, and these instant citizens—illegal aliens only a year before—began bringing the remainders of their families to the USA. Legally.

Overnight, wavering Democrat states became locks, and swing states with large Hispanic populations went solidly “blue.” The result was the recent election which had brought Gobernador Deleon to power in Nuevo Mexico, and had also brought radical Democrats to power in the White House and both houses of congress.

Thus had come the political tsunami which swept all before it, a tidal wave triggered by an undocumented lawn maintenance worker named Fernando Ortiz.

54 posted on 05/12/2005 9:36:28 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
"That is NOT going to go on for long. Our judges will NEVER permit a permanent "slave class" in the USA. This is what is going to happen instead, when the judiciary eventually takes up this case."

Illegals come here and pretend to be champions of hard labor filling jobs we lazy Americans don't want, LOL.

But their ultimate goal is to capture the American Dream so their children will be granted College Educations and bring the whole family out of U.S. poverty minimum wage. Their aim is to eventually escape the slave labor they now so willingly endure to live here.

The illegal cycle will continue..on and on, with no end in sight. I have no faith our gov't is even listening to it's citizens anymore.

sw

84 posted on 05/12/2005 10:01:16 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: Travis McGee
That is NOT going to go on for long. Our judges will NEVER permit a permanent "slave class" in the USA. This is what is going to happen instead, when the judiciary eventually takes up this case.

Which is yet another good reason to get conservative judges approved.

104 posted on 05/12/2005 10:20:54 AM PDT by nosofar
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