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Bills Could Grant Legality To 10 Million Immigrants
San Diego Union-Tribune ^ | May 12, 2005 | Jerry Kammer

Posted on 05/12/2005 8:46:37 AM PDT by Scenic Sounds

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To: Scenic Sounds
Are these two that drunk or that stupid!

AMNESTY FOR THE 10 MILLION HERE JUST MAKES IT HARDER TO DEAL WITH THE NEXT 10 MILLION WHO WILL COME BY THE END OF THE YEAR TO GET THE GOODIES AND GET IN ON THE NEXT AMNESTY!!!

Guys, the illegals here are incidental to the main problem: WE MUST REGAIN CONTROL OF THE BORDER!!

21 posted on 05/12/2005 9:01:39 AM PDT by Tacis ( SEAL THE FRIGGEN BORDER!!!)
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To: Gefreiter

Actually, this is a positive step, you can't crush the beast unless it sticks it's ugly head out of the hole.

I think it's already too late for these guys to slip their legislative amnesty crap through, I think this really is throwing gas on the fire. I am fine with the legal Hispanic community, even helped start a Spanish language TV station, but the illegals are a BIG problem (you just have to watch the nightly news here in Vegas to see the crimes being committed).

Illegality begats illegality, and once you start debating the amnesty stuff this becomes pretty clear, it's the same as throwing most of our workplace and identification laws out the window.


22 posted on 05/12/2005 9:01:43 AM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: Scenic Sounds

Did I miss something? After a bunch of sensical approaches to the illegal alien problem, I could not find anything saying that they will deport anyone? Why can't Americans also have a protection saying that these people cannot vote until they are permanent citizens?


23 posted on 05/12/2005 9:02:35 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator (This space outsourced to India)
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To: Scenic Sounds
No way.

Mike Rogers' office will be getting a call from me on my drive home.

24 posted on 05/12/2005 9:04:54 AM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("My guvnor don't got the answer")
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To: kingu

"How many of us got our start in business by washing dishes,"

I started at $1.25 working in a burger joint, and believe me, $1.25 was nothing even then. Cleaned restrooms at a local motel. Washed dishes a couple of places. Learned a TON.


25 posted on 05/12/2005 9:05:13 AM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: An.American.Expatriate
And this will stop illegal imigration how??

It worked so well the first time -- the sweeping 1986 measure that gave legal status to 2.7 million immigrants, most of them Mexican. That one (IIRC) was sold to the public as the last time blanket amnesty would ever need to be granted.

So, in 2025, we will only need to provide blanket amnesty for 100 million; assuming we survive as a nation another 20 years -- at the rate the politicians are selling us out.
26 posted on 05/12/2005 9:05:29 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: HiJinx
You ain't gonna believe it Ping!
27 posted on 05/12/2005 9:07:34 AM PDT by afnamvet (31st Fighter Wing Tuy Hoa AB RVN 68-69 "Return with Honor")
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Perhaps reparations are in order here too. McCain, Bush, and Boxer would no doubt approve of handing out $30,000 to every illegal immigrant currently in the US. No reason or logic here, just those people need help and money and we have it.


28 posted on 05/12/2005 9:08:44 AM PDT by captainblacksmith
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To: Scenic Sounds
...an estimated 10 million to 12 million illegal immigrants now in the United States...

The single biggest fact that won't go away. We can't kick all of them out of the country nor can they remain forever illegal. Any solution will inevitably involve some kind of legalization. We really need to think of the bigger picture. Maybe we can turn the billions of dollars sent back to Mexico from a drain into leverage. One thing for sure, this is a tough issue.

Just speculating here. Allow them to live and work here, which is easy since they'll be living and working here anyway. But they can never become citizens with voting rights and access to government benefits without going through the proper channels. Link this with a requirement for a national id card. Penalize employers who hire illegals. I'm beginning to think Bush's basic idea may be the only way to go.

29 posted on 05/12/2005 9:10:44 AM PDT by nosofar
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To: GOPGuide

It doesn't necessarily have to. If it passes the Senate, they can send it over to the House and bring it straight to the floor, bypassing Sesenbrenner's committee, if the House leadership were to allow that to occur.


30 posted on 05/12/2005 9:12:10 AM PDT by 3AngelaD
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To: Scenic Sounds

B.O.H.I.C.A.


31 posted on 05/12/2005 9:12:29 AM PDT by yooling (Screw diversity! Celebrate excellence!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Constitutional Party
Platform looks solid on border, immigration & visa isssues.
Constitution Party

America First Party
Several bullet points on both illegal & legal immigration in their platform.
America First Party

Independant American Party
I found no mention of immigration or illegal aliens in their platform.
Independant American Party

The American Party
From their platform: "We are opposed to all illegal aliens and, therefore, support laws and enforcement to deport them."
The American Party


These descriptions are months old, they may have been ammended since then.
32 posted on 05/12/2005 9:12:45 AM PDT by citizen (Yo W! Read my lips: No Amnistia by any name!)
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To: Scenic Sounds

AMNESTY IS TREASON!!!


33 posted on 05/12/2005 9:13:29 AM PDT by shellshocked (They're undocumented Border Patrol agents, not vigilantes.)
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To: Scenic Sounds

And the hits just keep on coming!


34 posted on 05/12/2005 9:15:46 AM PDT by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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To: Joe Brower

Amen...


35 posted on 05/12/2005 9:16:47 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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To: Scenic Sounds

Huge mistake. Our elected officals are determined to destroy this country. We have enough criminals - we don't need to import millions more. And those millions have millions of relatives who whill swarm this country.


36 posted on 05/12/2005 9:17:28 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: politicalwit
hmmm, a rather cheap price for citizen. Now we know we are worth only $2,000. Perhaps that's all the taxes we should pay.

"After a criminal background check and medical examination, most of the illegal immigrants now in the country would be allowed to apply for a new visa legalizing their status. They would have to pay $2,000 in fines and processing fees for having entered the country illegally. After six years, these workers and their families could apply for permanent residency. "

The $2000 is just for the visa. They still have to wait 6 years just to be able to applyl for permanent residency.

37 posted on 05/12/2005 9:18:53 AM PDT by nosofar
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To: nosofar
We can't kick all of them out of the country ...

Pray tell, why not?
38 posted on 05/12/2005 9:19:21 AM PDT by Celtman (It's never right to do wrong to do right.)
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To: citizen

The major problem I see with the Constitution and American Independent parties (from reading some of their platorms/position statements) is their weazelly views of foreign relations (ie., War on Terror). They seem to advocate an isolationist view of the US in the world. That won't happen.

Their domestic platforms seem conservative, overall. They just don't have a realistic outlook on international affairs.


39 posted on 05/12/2005 9:19:26 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Scenic Sounds; All

I would say that the legal citizens and those legally in this country currently collaborating and/or working on behalf to allow illegal aliens legal status or attempting to circumnavigate Federal Immigration Laws, as well as politicians and judges who fail to act to secure our boarders, deport the illegals, and enforce our laws should be found of conspiracy to break federal law, which in effect, conspiracy to break the law, is a felony. The conspiracy theory can easily be tied to those wanting to improve the bottom line of businesses using cheap labor.


40 posted on 05/12/2005 9:19:49 AM PDT by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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