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Bills Could Grant Legality To 10 Million Immigrants
San Diego Union-Tribune ^ | May 12, 2005 | Jerry Kammer

Posted on 05/12/2005 8:46:37 AM PDT by Scenic Sounds

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To: FastCoyote
"I started at $1.25 working in a burger joint, and believe me, $1.25 was nothing even then. Cleaned restrooms at a local motel. Washed dishes a couple of places. Learned a TON."

Might be a little older than you, but my first job (stocking shelves and unloading freight) in a grocery store, paid all of $1.00/hr.

Worked 20/hrs/wk during last 2 years of HS and 60/hrs/week during summer months.

NO minimum wages in late 50's - early 60's.

Joined AF in 62. Don't even want to try and figure out what my hourly pay was for my $87.00/month pay. LOL

141 posted on 05/12/2005 11:05:57 AM PDT by An American Patriot ("GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME"-- the opportunity to get the Hell out of here! Bye Bye VT- Hello, VA)
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To: Scenic Sounds
See also: Anchors Away
142 posted on 05/12/2005 11:07:26 AM PDT by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: Scenic Sounds

Would someone from AZ please start a recall petition for McCain? He MUST go!!! HE'S A TRAITOR!!!


143 posted on 05/12/2005 11:09:09 AM PDT by NRA2BFree
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To: lemura
" You mean the 10 million+ households in Calif alone that hire gardeners, nannies, etc?

I mean anyone and anybody that knowingly hires Illegals.

" Illegals don't receive social payments - it's their US citizen kids that were born here."

What a crock, Illegals get Free Medical care and social services in many states. Guess that +1 Billion dollar theft from the US taxpayer to cover Illegal's medical costs was all a figment of our imagination.Or how about the Billions of dollars that it costs to house their criminal element.

We need a system in place to legalize guest workers - both those already here and those coming in the future. If illegals had a way to bank their savings and then return to their homeland, they'd do it in a heartbeat.

Personally I don't give a rat's tail what illegals want, let them change their own country instead of thinking it's their right to sponge off America and our Citizens. America and Americans first, period!!

144 posted on 05/12/2005 11:13:10 AM PDT by JustAnAmerican (Being Independent means never having to say you're Partisan)
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To: engrpat
The jobs were great for several reasons but the most important, I learned how to work. Youngsters today do not get that opportunity and we all are the poorer for it.

Spot on. Kids today think they are entitled to start life at the level of comfort enjoyed at home. They have no concept of hard work. They don't understand that it takes time and demonstrated ability to get those promotions and pay raises.

My first home was an 880 sq ft, 2br, 1ba condo over the top of 4 carports. It cost me $32000 in 1978. I sold in in 1983 and took the meager appreciation as a down payment on a 4 br, 2ba 1334 sq ft house. That was home until 2001 when I sold it and purchase a 3 br, 2 1/2 ba 3900 sq ft house. It doesn't happen overnight.

After grad school, I studied for a First Class Radiotelephone license and RADAR endorsement. That license allowed me to work for $4.75 per hour on tuna boat electronics and base stations. Not great pay for a college grad. I even had to join IBEW Local 569 for the privilege of working in the ship yard. I earned pay raises that ended up at $9.10/hr in 1980. I had 180 tuna boat owners who specifically requested my assignment to do the work on their equipment. As the "dolphin safe" attack took its toll on the tuna fleet, the owners had trouble paying bills. I moved on to Pacific Telephone. It took 2 years of persistent application and repeat calls to Pacific Telephone to get that job. The CPUC forced hiring freezes on Pacific Telephone in those days. You had to be patient and ready to make the jump when the money was available to hire. The happy day was April 21, 1980.

Pacific Telephone took me on for $19,000 per year in 1980. I stayed with them until 1991. I left making $60,000 plus bonuses after 4 promotions. My current employer hired me at the same level in 1991 and has more than doubled my annual income since that time. Working 50 to 80 hour weeks is part of the reason they don't mind paying me at that level today.

145 posted on 05/12/2005 11:14:40 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: nosofar
"Rather than completely opposing it, it might be best to try get more teeth in it."

Opposing it completely is the only way to get teeth in it. I will oppose anything that amounts to a sham amnesty, that fails to penalize employers who hire illegals, that fails to provide stiff financial penalties for states which fail to cut off all social services for illegals, that fails to provide for secure borders, and that fails to provide a plan for the deportation of illegal aliens.

146 posted on 05/12/2005 11:18:12 AM PDT by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: An American Patriot
Joined AF in 62. Don't even want to try and figure out what my hourly pay was for my $87.00/month pay. LOL

My dad was in the Navy from 1952 until 1977. The pay compared to hours worked on a deployment doesn't look too good on an hourly basis. If not for having a place to sleep and 3 squares, it would be much worse.

147 posted on 05/12/2005 11:20:32 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Spiff
Thanks.

Am going to check this out and Graf will more than likely be receiving a contribution from me.

WE need to be doing much the same thing in ALL other similar such races throughout the country.

Needs to be a "central clearing" place which will outline all those running in House and Senate, their positions on conservative issues (such as this one); their records if incumbents as well as their opponents and their views.

WE NEED TO START VOTING WITH OUR POCKETBOOKS!!

148 posted on 05/12/2005 11:22:34 AM PDT by An American Patriot ("GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME"-- the opportunity to get the Hell out of here! Bye Bye VT- Hello, VA)
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To: righttackle44
And, honest-to-gosh, McCain, with apparently a straight face, told a radio show caller that this bill will stop illegal immigration.

Actually, it sould like he is right.  Illegal immigration can be stopped can be stopped by making all immigration legal.  Doesn't stop the immigration - just the illegal part. 

Now, if there were just some way to make McCain illegal...
149 posted on 05/12/2005 11:22:54 AM PDT by Celtman (It's never right to do wrong to do right.)
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To: nosofar
"We pretty much have to accept the situation. 8 to 10 million people are just too many to punish or deport. The only thing we can do in the long run is legalize them."

We don't have to accept anything of the sort. All that is required is the will to enforce our exisiting immigration laws (remember those?). No rewarding of law breakers. Ever.

150 posted on 05/12/2005 11:23:02 AM PDT by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: COEXERJ145

"Just enough Republicans are drinking Tancredo's koolaid"

It appears that it's those individuals that are consuming the "BushBerry" Koolaid that have a problem with upholding our nation's immigration laws. Allowing "guestworker" (amnesty) status to law breakers doesn't make sense to law abiding citizens.


151 posted on 05/12/2005 11:24:43 AM PDT by politicalwit (USA...A Nation of Selective Law Enforcement.)
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To: TomGuy

Quote: 8 to 10 million people are just too many to punish or deport.

I hate to sound crass but Hitler did way more than that quite easily. I mean on the deportation level. Just think it would realy help out Amtrack.

This bill sucks. I hear our american dream being sucked down the drain every day.


152 posted on 05/12/2005 11:26:43 AM PDT by superiorslots
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To: lemura
You have no solutions, but congratulations on being part of the problem.

Your views attract only a tiny (and declining) minority around here.

154 posted on 05/12/2005 11:30:37 AM PDT by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: 3AngelaD

Even The Senate doesn't want to deal with an amnesty, becasuse Frist is planning to run for President and if he even tries to pass an amnesty, he can kiss the primaries goodbye.

And Frist is already on the Grassroots' shitlist for bungling the Senate majority.


155 posted on 05/12/2005 11:33:06 AM PDT by GOPGuide
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To: Spiff
Thanks for the link to Randy Graf. Bookmarked and in my Planner for financial support.

Any suggestions for getting rid of that psycho RINO, McCain?

156 posted on 05/12/2005 11:34:28 AM PDT by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: An American Patriot
Needs to be a "central clearing" place which will outline all those running in House and Senate, their positions on conservative issues (such as this one); their records if incumbents as well as their opponents and their views.

There is. Go to Tom Tancredo's Team America PAC at www.teamamericapac.org. Randy Graf is their first endorsement for the 2006 elections.

157 posted on 05/12/2005 11:39:36 AM PDT by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: Tacis
"WE MUST REGAIN CONTROL OF THE BORDER!!"

What we need to regain control of is Washington. This is the kind of pant-load we deserve for electing so many fence straddling neo-cons (I'm guilty of voting the R ticket). Aside from a few "key" issues that the two parties foist on us as their rasion d'etre there is little that distinguishes one from the other.

All that this cheap labor, rising tide, global economy crap does is provide able bodies for companies with poor business models that cant succeed legally. Meanwhile, the surplus of imported, minimally educated workers has created a slump in wage increases for our minimally educated citizens.

/rant

158 posted on 05/12/2005 11:40:06 AM PDT by SouthParkRepublican
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
"...and literally throw up in front of the Immigration Offices."

I know how you feel, but the INS/ICE is merely doing (or not doing) what they are told to do. Far more appropriate to direct our displeasure at those who really deserve it, starting with President Bush and all of the other Washington crapweasels supporting this insanity.

War on Terror, indeed. How serious can this be while allowing (in fact encouraging) millions of illegal aliens to flood into our country every year?

159 posted on 05/12/2005 11:49:20 AM PDT by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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