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Senate Foreign Relations Committee ~ nomination of John Bolton [LIVE Thread]
C-span3 ^ | 5-12-05 | Foreign Relations Committe

Posted on 05/12/2005 7:03:13 AM PDT by OXENinFLA

ON CAPITOL HILL Bolton Vote in Committee The Senate Foreign Relations Committee conducts a debate and vote on the nomination of John Bolton as U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations. Chair Richard Lugar (R-IN) and Ranking Member Joseph Biden (D-DE) continue a review of the nominee, based on issues raised at the committee's April 19 business meeting. 10AM-3:30PM ET ON C-SPAN3


TOPICS: Announcements; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: 109th; bolton; india; ussenate
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To: pbrown
I can take mine out of my purse and loan them out if need be

Take your Republican out of your purse.. loan your Republican if need be?

I'm afraid I don't understand.

1,881 posted on 05/12/2005 1:07:48 PM PDT by the anti-liberal (H. Clinton: Be afraid, be very, very afraid...)
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To: areafiftyone
"So have fun acting childish!"

LOl, well, alright then I will have fun. I thought that was what this was all about, having fun? Instead you get your panties in a wad. AS for your calling me childish, well that's the 4th name you've called me and all Ive done is call you a troll supporter. Looks like by a 4-1 margin you lose.

Let's forget this. You keep the atlanta guy under your wing and I'll get on with trying to save our Republic. In that way we'll each be doing what we are best suited for.

1,882 posted on 05/12/2005 1:08:07 PM PDT by JoeV1 (Democrat Party-The unlawful and corrupt leading the blind and uneducated)
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To: plain talk

he must do more.

if he wants conservative judges and people like Bolton at the UN - he has to fight for it. The last time this committee broke up, when Voinovich shafted us - Bush should have went to a microphone in the press room right after that happened and laid down the law. The Dems and the RINOs are demonizing Bolton - we need to demonize the UN and tie the Dems to it.

Bush is simply too nice a guy. The Dems are vermin, on matter of national security and international affairs, they hate this country and want to see us fail. Bush needs to get angry too in opposing that agenda.


1,883 posted on 05/12/2005 1:08:24 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: JoeV1

>>You're not getting what I am saying. You used a term, neocon, that is universally viewed as a liberal one. If I started using the slogan "power to the people" how far do you suppose my credibility would carry on this forum? I have no problem with you or anyone else disagreeing with the policy of this administration. <<

That's your slant on it and you're entitled to your slant. If I use the term neocon negatively it's because it's not my brand of conservatism... That wing of the party lost me when they covered up the statue of justice and launched an invasion without good grounding. I'm also not real thrilled with the resulting budget deficit.

>>Compared to other U.S. conservatives, neoconservatives are characterized by an aggressive moralist stance on foreign policy, a lesser social conservatism, weaker dedication to a policy of minimal government, and a greater acceptance of the welfare state.<<
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism_%28United_States%29


1,884 posted on 05/12/2005 1:08:45 PM PDT by paul_fromatlanta
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To: NavySEAL F-16
There has to be much, much more coming out of the OFF scandal, as well as what Bolton will state about Castro. The dems are probably afraid that their little "freebie" trips to Cuba will be curtailed. Just take a look at the list of politicians that "enjoy" Castro and Cuba. It's not just Rather who loves Castro.

I believe that they are all terrified if Bolton gets in, he will blow the lid off the OFF. If Bolton gets in...Kofi leaves. They are fighting for Kofi's survival. Bastards all.

1,885 posted on 05/12/2005 1:09:34 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Cboldt; Howlin; Chairman_December_19th_Society
The Nuclear option is more properly called the Constitutional Option....right?
1,886 posted on 05/12/2005 1:10:35 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (This tagline no longer operative....floated away in the flood of 2005 ,)
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To: paul_fromatlanta

Whatever. Personally me thinks you protest to much (paraphrased.

Move along. I'll be watching you closely.


1,887 posted on 05/12/2005 1:12:00 PM PDT by JoeV1 (Democrat Party-The unlawful and corrupt leading the blind and uneducated)
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To: the anti-liberal
Take your Republican out of your purse.. loan your Republican if need be?

Cajones...from my liberal days. We women would carry our cajones in our purses and take them out and be forceful when necessary. I't a chick thing.

1,888 posted on 05/12/2005 1:12:25 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Yes.


1,889 posted on 05/12/2005 1:12:48 PM PDT by Howlin (North Carolina, where beer kegs are registered and illegal aliens run free.)
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To: Howlin
See above. And you are the only person I've EVER seen that says a real fillibuster requires no speaking. Strom Thurmond spoke for 24 hours and 18 minutes, FGS.

Read slower or soemthing. You are putting words in my mouth. FGS, I don't know why. It doesn't advance the inquiry any. Oh, wait. I get it!! You are pulling a thread filibuster!

But seriously, I asked "How do you make them talk." I didn't say they never have. I know Strom Thurmond holds the record. I'm not even arguing over a definition fo the term "real filibuster," which I noted was having a Senator hold the floor and talk.

My question has always been HOW does one make a Senator hold the floor in speech? You said "Make the Senate filibuster." I asked "How?"

1,890 posted on 05/12/2005 1:12:53 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: pbrown

I am hoping we get a good house cleaning at the UN, and all the apologist are put in their proper places.


1,891 posted on 05/12/2005 1:13:13 PM PDT by NavySEAL F-16 (Proud to be a Reagan Republican)
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To: Cboldt

And you've been told REPEATEDLY how.


1,892 posted on 05/12/2005 1:13:28 PM PDT by Howlin (North Carolina, where beer kegs are registered and illegal aliens run free.)
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To: JoeV1

>>
Move along. I'll be watching you closely.<<

You're a credit to the board.


1,893 posted on 05/12/2005 1:13:54 PM PDT by paul_fromatlanta
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To: Chairman_December_19th_Society
They have two choices: debate or vote.
If they don't want to vote, they have to debate.
If they don't debate, the Chair can call the vote.

So how come we have 12 stalled judicial nominees? IOW, I think your construction of the rules is incorrect.

1,894 posted on 05/12/2005 1:14:25 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt
FWIW, requesting a ruling from the chair, on a DEM objection to move to the vote, -IS- the so-called "nuclear" option.

Not necessarily. If an objection occurs to the vote that is scheduled for which no debate intends to be provided, or for which debate has been exhausted (Senators can only speak twice on the same subject), requires unanimous consent. So if one Senator at that point objects to the motion, vote goes down.

The "nuclear option" is a different thing altogether. It's a way to frame the terms of debate before it starts.

1,895 posted on 05/12/2005 1:14:38 PM PDT by Chairman_December_19th_Society (James Burnham--Liberalism is the ideology of Western suicide.)
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To: Cboldt
So how come we have 12 stalled judicial nominees?

Because the Minority has refused to agree to a UC on debate, thus threatening unlimited debate, and the Majority has decided to move on to other business.

1,896 posted on 05/12/2005 1:15:35 PM PDT by Chairman_December_19th_Society (James Burnham--Liberalism is the ideology of Western suicide.)
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To: Cboldt; Howlin
My question has always been HOW does one make a Senator hold the floor in speech? You said "Make the Senate filibuster." I asked "How?"

I suppose it is Machiavellian...(sp?) ....but put up a nominee or bill that they are deeply opposed to ...and that they would likely filibuster against....

1,897 posted on 05/12/2005 1:15:40 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (This tagline no longer operative....floated away in the flood of 2005 ,)
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To: Chairman_December_19th_Society
See #1879, along with other posts. It's a safety valve against unlimited debate if a supermajority of the Senate deems it unworthy. Started in the late 19th Century I believe, and amended in the 20th. There are other posts this thread that go into details.

First cloture rule was in 1917. Before 1806, a simple majority awas adequate to move to the vote.

Read this -> http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Gold_Gupta_JLPP_article.pdf

Good article. Not comprehensive, but illuminative. Not an easy read either, but worth the effort.

1,898 posted on 05/12/2005 1:16:21 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: oceanview

No. Did you not read my post?


1,899 posted on 05/12/2005 1:16:42 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
The Nuclear option is more properly called the Constitutional Option....right?

True, but I kind of like "nuclear option"; has a certain ring to it. Sound like...

...Victory.

1,900 posted on 05/12/2005 1:16:52 PM PDT by Chairman_December_19th_Society (James Burnham--Liberalism is the ideology of Western suicide.)
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