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To: ancient_geezer

I have always believed consumption taxation is the optimal model of taxation and I am glad that it is getting press in the US. Federalist #21 is dead on re "signal advantage" quote.

my optimal model of taxation in a federation of states would go something like this. the federal government would be constitutionally prohibited from levying taxes of any sort (or levies, or tariffs, etc). the states of the federation would raise revenue any way they see fit (once again, through consumption taxation preferably, and it may be a good idea to put that in the constitution as well, that the states are only allowed to tax/levy/excise consumption). The federal government would lay down its budget each year in consultation with the states (would be quite difficult with 50 states, mind you) and the states would fund the federal govt on a strict per-capita basis (might want to make the per-capita basis a constitutional thing as well, otherwise you'll get the inevitable cribbing for exceptions from poorer states).

ok better sleep now. comments?


27 posted on 05/12/2005 10:24:10 AM PDT by music is math
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To: music is math
...and the states would fund the federal govt on a strict per-capita basis (might want to make the per-capita basis a constitutional thing as well, otherwise you'll get the inevitable cribbing for exceptions from poorer states).

If you would take the time to REALLY study it you would find that the Fairtax does EXACTLY this without the excess baggage.

30 posted on 05/12/2005 10:37:06 AM PDT by Bigun (IRS sucks @getridof it.com)
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To: music is math

The federal government would lay down its budget each year in consultation with the states (would be quite difficult with 50 states, mind you) and the states would fund the federal govt on a strict per-capita basis (might want to make the per-capita basis a constitutional thing as well, otherwise you'll get the inevitable cribbing for exceptions from poorer states).

That was tried prior to the Constitution, under the original Articles of Confederation.

It failed miserably to provide even the minimal needs of the Continental Congress to provide for bare minimums of federal government of the times. That is one of the prime reasons why we have the current Constitution and the strong tax authority granted to Congress in regards laying and collecting taxes in Article 8:

 

Constitution for the United States of America:

 

 

Federalist #21:

 

Federalist #45:

James Madison, Elliots Debates Vol 3 p128:

*** snip ***

See also: James Madison, Elliots Debates Vol 3 p249: On Problem of Requistions and Direct taxation.

36 posted on 05/12/2005 10:59:41 AM PDT by ancient_geezer (Don't reform it, Replace it!!)
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To: music is math

"my optimal model of taxation in a federation of states would go something like this. the federal government would be constitutionally prohibited from levying taxes of any sort..."

That's great!

A couple friends and I were writing a "dream constitution" a while ago and though one wanted to go with a strict confederacy and almost no central authority outside of defense, I suggested almost exactly the system you just laid out.

Good stuff!


61 posted on 05/12/2005 5:43:31 PM PDT by Clarion (Restrict liberty for security?... The only security IS liberty!)
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