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Presbytery's second vote ... ruled invalid (after prayers to Allah and Koran readings)
Layman Online ^ | May 11, 2005 | John H. Adams

Posted on 05/11/2005 6:42:39 PM PDT by PAR35

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The May 10 presbytery meeting included an interfaith worship service with a prayer to "Allah" a reading from the Koran and the second vote on the Hollywood issue.

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But before the actual vote on the motion, the presbytery heard readings from Scripture and the Koran. The Islamic text, Surah 30:37-38, said: "When we give men the taste of a good thing they rejoice in it, but when evil befalls them through their own fault, they grow despondent. Do they not see that God gives abundantly to whom He will and sparingly to whom He pleases? Surely there are signs in this for true believers. Therefore give their due to the next of kin, to the destitute, and to the traveler in need. That is best for those that strive to please God; such men will surely prosper."

Then a prayer was read: "O Lord, you are the one God to be worshipped by all peoples, the one called Allah by your Muslim children, descendants of Abraham and Hagar. Give us grace to hear your truth in the teachings of Mohammed, the prophet...."

After that, members of the presbytery requested that the moderator move the discussion of Hollywood up on the docket. An hour and half of often intense discussion followed.

(Excerpt) Read more at layman.org ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: cary; koran; lostsheep; pcusa; presbyterian; presbyterians; religionofpeace; trop
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Backgound - a moderate pastor and his associate have been suspended and ordered to stay away from the church by a presbytery appointed committee with ties to the pro-homosexual rights wing of the mainline PCUSA.

That alone would merit posting in the religion forum instead of here, but given that the vote was taken after readings from the Koran and prayers to Allah, I thought that it might engender broader interest.

The vote which was ruled invalid was in support of the pastors.

1 posted on 05/11/2005 6:42:40 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: PAR35

Folks, the Presbyterians have left the building.


2 posted on 05/11/2005 6:46:33 PM PDT by BigFinn
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To: PAR35

More PC nonsense from a leftist church.


3 posted on 05/11/2005 6:49:07 PM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: PAR35
The part that's offensive to Christianity is this: "Give us grace to hear your truth in the teachings of Mohammed, the prophet...."

The business about referring to "God" as "Allah" is consistent with the practice of Arabic speaking Orthodox Christians.

"Allah" is just a word. There is no such thing as "word magic", and you cannot bind God with words.

4 posted on 05/11/2005 6:51:34 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: BigFinn

All churches in the PCUSA are not like that one. (Thank the GL). Churches should have a better screening system. IMHO. Churches that accept Non-Christian parisoners or pastors deserve to fail..


5 posted on 05/11/2005 6:57:25 PM PDT by glowworm ( Rats and rat behavior, a rat is a rat is a rat..)
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To: PAR35

Catholics and Muslims hold prayer sessions together in Churches throughout Europe


6 posted on 05/11/2005 6:59:15 PM PDT by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: NYer; Salvation

ping


7 posted on 05/11/2005 7:01:33 PM PDT by Jaded (Hell sometimes has flourescent lighting and a trumpet.)
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To: muawiyah
PCA We don't pray to false gods. Who'd have ever thought that would be a selling point? I know they are re-writing the bible over in liberal-land, but I thought when we joked about removing one of the commandments that we were talking about #7, not #1. But you know, once you fall for the line that all religions are equal, it's hard to explain why you shouldn't start praying to everybody else's god. After all, it's been a long time since God smote a nation. If there is one lesson in all this, it is that we shouldn't laugh at the jews in the old testament who kept running off and worshipping the wrong gods, because we are having quite a hard time with that ourselves. Not to say that "the Prophet" might not have said SOMETHING that was correct, after all even a broken light switch works half the time.
8 posted on 05/11/2005 7:03:10 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT (http://spaces.msn.com/members/criticallythinking)
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To: BigFinn

Dude, you said it!


9 posted on 05/11/2005 7:03:45 PM PDT by jocon307 (Irish grandmother rolls in grave, yet again.)
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To: PAR35

bttt


10 posted on 05/11/2005 7:09:56 PM PDT by aberaussie
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To: PAR35

Well hell why dont they just come out and say Jews, Muslims and Hinduists worship the same God as Christians?!? Sheesh..


11 posted on 05/11/2005 7:11:40 PM PDT by Windsong (FighterPilot)
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To: BigFinn

The Presbyterian Church USA have left the building...

The Presbyterian Church in America (PCA) is still conservative, evangelical, Bible Believing and Teaching -- Please don't lump us in with the PCUSA.

It's sad that the PCUSA has become apostate. We need to pray that The Lord will open their eyes before it's too late.


12 posted on 05/11/2005 7:22:14 PM PDT by HossB86
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To: CharlesWayneCT; BigFinn
Another PCA bump
13 posted on 05/11/2005 7:26:27 PM PDT by P8riot (Growing old is mandatory, growing up is optional.)
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To: HossB86; PAR35
It's sad that the PCUSA has become apostate. We need to pray that The Lord will open their eyes before it's too late.

The PCUSA has been taken over at the highest levels by Democrats. If you're a member, your offering is helping to pay for pastors' medical coverage. The problem is that their medical coverage provides for abortions for themselves and their families.

When I left the PCUSA, I became a member of the Wesleyan denomination.

14 posted on 05/11/2005 7:48:19 PM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
When I left the PCUSA, I became a member of the Wesleyan denomination.

That is falling pretty far from the Calvinist tree.

15 posted on 05/11/2005 7:53:00 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

I am a member of the Presbyterian Church in America... NOT the PCUSA. And, we should still pray for them.

You're right; the take-over is pretty much complete. It's tragic.

Neal


16 posted on 05/11/2005 7:56:04 PM PDT by HossB86
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To: HossB86
The Presbyterian Church in America (PCA) is still conservative

Given the last few years, moderate might be a better term than conservative (unless you are in Westminster Presbytery - they can honestly claim to be conservative). You certainly can't call New York City conservative. The others fall somewhere in between.

17 posted on 05/11/2005 7:56:50 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: F14 Pilot
Catholics and Muslims hold prayer sessions together in Churches throughout Europe

No wonder church attendance is at an all time low in Europe!

18 posted on 05/11/2005 7:57:00 PM PDT by sausageseller (Look out for the jackbooted spelling police. There! Everywhere!(revised cause the "man" accosted me!)
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To: Windsong

19 posted on 05/11/2005 8:00:26 PM PDT by A. Pole (Ukrainian proverb: "Iak buly moskali, buv khlib na stoli, a iak bude Ukraina, bude bida po kolina")
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To: Windsong

Actually, Jews do.


20 posted on 05/11/2005 8:20:30 PM PDT by Jaded (Hell sometimes has flourescent lighting and a trumpet.)
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