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Centrifugal weapon could deliver stealth firepower
New Scientist ^ | 5/11/05 | Will Knight

Posted on 05/11/2005 1:07:57 PM PDT by LibWhacker

A gun that spits out ball bearings after spinning them to extreme speeds is being developed by a US inventor. The novel design has already caught the imagination of some defence industry experts.

The weapon, called DREAD, was invented by Charles St George, a veteran of the US firearms industry who founded the company Leader Propulsion Systems to promote the idea. He claims a major US defence company has shown an interested in developing it further and has produced a promotional video showing a prototype in action, which can be seen here (Quicktime). He says a new prototype will be developed in August 2005.

The gun consists of a mounted circular chamber that spins the metal ball bearings to high speed. A release mechanism on one side spits the balls out one behind the other, a handful at a time.

St George says the projectiles travel at around 300 metres per second upon release from the weapon, about the same speed as a handgun round. He claims a fully developed DREAD gun would be quieter than a conventional gun, less prone to malfunction, and could contain more ammunition.

DREAD also releases its balls in extremely rapid succession, which allows it to unleash formidable firepower against a target. Promotional material for DREAD states: "Due to its extraordinary high rate of fire capability, it delivers its bullets 8.5 millimetres apart, thereby delivering more mass to the target than any other weapon."

Overwhelming and devastating

St George would not specify the range or accuracy of the most recent prototype or explain precisely how the system works, because he says this information could be commercially sensitive.

But a patent issued to him in February 2003 has been found by Marc Abrahams, editor of science humour magazine Annals of Improbable Research. It refers to a "Weapon for Centrifugal Propulsion of Projectiles". In this design, balls are stored inside a series of narrow chambers that radiate from the centre of a circular chamber and which are rotated with the chamber at high speed.

A mechanism beneath each narrow chamber automatically manoeuvres a single ball into a smaller compartment at near its edge. When the trigger is pulled, these balls are released into a guide rail and shoot from the disc rapidly, from a hole at its edge.

"The system seams absolutely feasible," says David Crane, editor of the website DefenseReview.com. The weapon could strike targets with “overwhelming and devastating firepower - we're talking about total target saturation."

Terry Gander, who edits the defence industry journal Jane's Infantry Weapons, adds that similar concepts have been developed in the past. But Gander notes that these have had low projectile velocity and have been proposed as crowd control weapons. "It all depends on the sort of power source you have," he told New Scientist. "I'd be very interested to know what its range is."

But Abrahams finds the idea outlandish. "Anything that seems so far beyond anything else is worth a moment's thought before you completely gulp it down," he told New Scientist. "It is way out on the side of the scale that deals with high levels of imagination.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: ball; balls; bang; banglist; bearings; brassballs; centrifugal; firepower; massdriver; miltech; spaceballs; spinning; stealth; weapon
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To: LibWhacker

High tech low tech. The same principle as the sling that brought down Goliath.


161 posted on 05/12/2005 6:26:29 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (Grant no power to government you would not want your worst enemies to wield against you.)
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To: LibWhacker

Wouldn't precession make it difficult to aim quickly?


162 posted on 05/12/2005 6:28:42 AM PDT by LIConFem (Mein Luftkissenboot ist mit Aalen voll.)
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To: LIConFem
"Wouldn't precession make it difficult to aim quickly?"

Perpendicular to the plane of rotation absolutely.

163 posted on 05/12/2005 9:02:40 AM PDT by avg_freeper (Gunga galunga. Gunga, gunga galunga)
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To: avg_freeper
I wonder how the inventor will solve the problem. A counter-rotating gyro, perhaps (smaller, but of the same mass)?
164 posted on 05/12/2005 9:07:29 AM PDT by LIConFem (Mein Luftkissenboot ist mit Aalen voll.)
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To: LibWhacker
Anything that requires electrical energy to operate, that cannot charge its own battery, is dangerous on a field of battle.

165 posted on 05/12/2005 9:14:22 AM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: LIConFem
I wonder how the inventor will solve the problem.

Probably by simply betting that he can convince others that gyroscopic forces don't exist and that they're just a silly figment of our imagination.

166 posted on 05/12/2005 9:16:10 AM PDT by avg_freeper (Gunga galunga. Gunga, gunga galunga)
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To: avg_freeper

That particular philosophy has worked for a certain political party here in the U.S. for many years now.


167 posted on 05/12/2005 9:19:45 AM PDT by LIConFem (Mein Luftkissenboot ist mit Aalen voll.)
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To: LIConFem
so true

It seems that most of what politicians do (dem and rep included) necessitates them first discharging us of the "burden" of our common sense.

168 posted on 05/12/2005 9:25:24 AM PDT by avg_freeper (Gunga galunga. Gunga, gunga galunga)
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To: Pylot

"Ball bearings are notoriously inaccurate, any round object is."

How accurate do you have to be when the target area is saturated with 150,000 rounds per sec.?


169 posted on 05/12/2005 9:31:37 AM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: wideminded
A former co-worker of mine who is a brilliant engineer described a similar idea to me a number of times. I guess he should have gone for a patent.

David, of David and Goliath fame, used a sling based on the same principle.

Wandering off to find the US Patent ....

170 posted on 05/12/2005 9:34:21 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: wideminded
A former co-worker of mine who is a brilliant engineer described a similar idea to me a number of times. I guess he should have gone for a patent.

David, of David and Goliath fame, used a sling based on the same principle.

Wandering off to find the US Patent ....

U.S. Patent 6,520,169 - Weapon for centrifugal propulsion of projectiles
U.S. Patent 6,520,169 <-- Click Here

Lots of cited prior art, including U.S. Patent No. 1049 to McCarty, which issued in December 1838.

171 posted on 05/12/2005 9:39:56 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: LibWhacker

Interesting, Leo Frankowski used the exact same principle to give the Polish steam powered machineguns against the Mongols in 1240 in his Crosstime Engineer series.


172 posted on 05/12/2005 9:40:30 AM PDT by Centurion2000
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To: tang-soo

Yeah, I scratched my head over that, too. I'm guessing it's "stealthy" in the sense that it's relatively quiet in comparison to a gun.


173 posted on 05/12/2005 9:48:06 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker

okay, I'll buy that.


174 posted on 05/12/2005 11:50:30 AM PDT by tang-soo (Prophecy of the Seventy Weeks - Read Daniel Chapter 9)
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To: Squeako

You know, the KGB (or its assigns) used the same basic design as a golf ball to shoot poison projectiles out of umbrellas.

There is also a "cheater" golf ball that has the divits only on the sides --- the result is a ball that corrects a slice (or equivalent) in flight.


175 posted on 05/12/2005 12:02:32 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan
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To: MeanWestTexan

"By sides" I mean, leaving the "equiator" area smooth.


176 posted on 05/12/2005 12:03:26 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan
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To: Buford T. Justice
I'm gonna' need some pliers, and a set of 30 weight ball bearings

What kind of antifreeze ya' need?

177 posted on 05/12/2005 12:05:33 PM PDT by conservonator (Lord, bless Your servant Benedict XVI)
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To: LibWhacker

Ball bearings take all the character out of western movies:

"Save the last ball-bearing for yourself."

"Gonna have to ride to the fort for more ball bearings."

"Stand to, troopers! Them Indians're firing ball bearings 'stead o' arrows."


178 posted on 05/12/2005 12:10:43 PM PDT by righttackle44 (The most dangerous weapon in the world is a Marine with his rifle and the American people behind him)
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To: Congressman Billybob
Witness the evolution of the golf ball.

I just got a vision of the old guys "scuffing" up their old featheries. At the time the featheries were very expensive.

179 posted on 05/12/2005 12:16:13 PM PDT by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: bobbdobbs

Call me dense, but if you compare this to a sling (which someone has, by the way), where is the "recoil" on a sling when the projectile is released?


180 posted on 05/12/2005 3:03:03 PM PDT by IronJack
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