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The Real History of the Crusades
Christianity Today ^
| Week of May 2, 2005
| Thomas F. Madden
Posted on 05/10/2005 7:20:05 AM PDT by robowombat
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To: Skooz
I'm reading up on the subject. There are 3 new books out that have the truth in them somewhere. Keep me posted.
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posted on
05/10/2005 7:53:16 AM PDT
by
STD
(Evil White Man)
To: robowombat
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posted on
05/10/2005 7:54:18 AM PDT
by
Eagles6
(Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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posted on
05/10/2005 7:58:48 AM PDT
by
MileHi
To: robowombat
The rise of Damascus sword making and the rise of Islam have remarkable parallels. I wonder if Islam would be as big as it is now if not for the Damascus steel?
To: Borges
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posted on
05/10/2005 8:04:54 AM PDT
by
Andy from Beaverton
(I only vote Republican to stop the Democrats)
To: jcb8199
"Where does the movie show the Muslims invading and conquering Christian and Jewish lands, prompting the Christians to fight back?"
There was much omitted, Where was the part where the Crusaders captured a town and ate the children? Both sides did bad things but they thought they were doing good because it was for God and Kings.
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05/10/2005 8:05:07 AM PDT
by
Bringbackthedraft
(BEWARE YOUR FREEPER IDs AND POSTINGS CAN BE FOUND ON GOOGLE SEARCH. HILLARY IS WATCHING YOU!)
To: Capriole
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posted on
05/10/2005 8:08:46 AM PDT
by
Capriole
(I don't have any problems that couldn't be solved by more chocolate or more ammunition)
To: Andy from Beaverton
Hey I was looking for Medved's review. Thanks! I pretty much agree with him. He just says it's dull...which it is.
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posted on
05/10/2005 8:09:00 AM PDT
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Borges
To: Borges
On his show yesterday, they were bashing it for how poorly it portrayed Christians and how they made Muslims look so good an innocent.
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posted on
05/10/2005 8:16:32 AM PDT
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Andy from Beaverton
(I only vote Republican to stop the Democrats)
To: robowombat
This is excellent. Thank you for posting it. I'll be sure to copy it off and read it to my kids to counter the PC garbage that they'll be fed in school.
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posted on
05/10/2005 8:19:53 AM PDT
by
Syco
To: Andy from Beaverton
I've seen it and that wasn't my perception. Muslims are barely on screen. To a lot of people anything less then Crusaders glowing with the light of G-d is bashing Christians.
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posted on
05/10/2005 8:21:20 AM PDT
by
Borges
To: robowombat
Wonderful and enlightening read. I hope everyone gets a chance to read this. It definitely needs a looong BTTT.
Thanx.
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posted on
05/10/2005 8:30:53 AM PDT
by
wizr
(Freedom ain't free.)
To: jcb8199
Good morning.
The movie isn't about the Muslims conquering anything but Jerusalem. It is fiction using some historical figures.
There actually was a Balian of Ibelin, though he wasn't a blacksmith who miraculously becomes a literate warrior almost overnight. To my mind that is the weakest part of the plot.
The princess was married to Guy, but she didn't dump him for the blacksmith. The Templar leader, Reynauld (SP?) did exist and he did violate the truce by riding out of his castle to attack caravans. Most historians agree that Saladin and the king, Baldwin IV, were enlightened leaders in the context of their time but Jerusalem's leprosy got him in the end and the truce with Saladin fell apart. Kingdom of Heaven is a little history wrapped in fiction and put on film.
Michael Frazier
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05/10/2005 8:33:35 AM PDT
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brazzaville
(No surrender,no retreat. Well, maybe retreat's ok)
To: jcb8199
"Where does the movie show the Muslims invading and conquering Christian and Jewish lands, prompting the Christians to fight back?" It is not a movie about that. If you want a movie about that, make one. No one will stop you.
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05/10/2005 8:46:41 AM PDT
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sinclair
(An idiotic initial assumption leads inevitably to a pointless and idiotic conclusion.)
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To: Sacajaweau
The original version of the book has more reader comments than the revised but the original is no longer in print.
Here's a link to the original. Scroll down for reader reviews.
A Concise History of the Crusades
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posted on
05/10/2005 8:48:15 AM PDT
by
Incorrigible
(If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
To: robowombat
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posted on
05/10/2005 8:58:22 AM PDT
by
kitkat
(!)
To: robowombat
One of the best books I have read on the Crusades was "The Crusades" by Zoe Oldenburg. She explores the Crusades from various perspectives; power politics of the Church and European monarchs, feudalism and its violent tendencies, the physical logistics of the Crusades, Saladin (a thoroughly fascinating man), the effect on trade for Middle Eastern goods, and the effect on European civilization on being re-introduced to classical thought and science.
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05/10/2005 9:07:21 AM PDT
by
ops33
(Retired USAF Senior Master Sergeant)
To: robowombat
"After recapturing Acre, the king of France went home, where he busied himself carving up Richard's French holdings. "
Some things never change.
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posted on
05/10/2005 9:22:07 AM PDT
by
ZULU
(Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
To: Bringbackthedraft
"Where was the part where the Crusaders captured a town and ate the children? "
WHERE on EARTH did you get THAT story????
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posted on
05/10/2005 9:25:31 AM PDT
by
ZULU
(Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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