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Police used Taser on pregnant driver (Seattle)
The Seattle P.I. ^ | May 10, 2005 | HECTOR CASTRO

Posted on 05/10/2005 1:51:41 AM PDT by Stoat

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To: judgeandjury
And how many children getting killed by motorists in that 35MPH school zone

Any child hit by any car at ANY SPEED can be killed!

How long are you going to continue to selfishly drive around in a potential child murder weapon? Shame on you.

341 posted on 05/10/2005 3:01:58 PM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: marvlus
I don't disagree either but I did have one thought; having stepped in some deep stuff a couple of times I no longer try and "guess" if a woman is pregnant or simply obese. No mention here if the woman weighed in at 150 pounds or 300 pounds plus; it might have been simply impossible to ascertain that she was pregnant.
342 posted on 05/10/2005 3:03:07 PM PDT by Proud_texan (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Cate

She broke the LAW?
What an ass.
Don't you have a clue as to understand that an officer isn't there to just enforce the law?
But to do so in a just and legal an sane manner.
Hey Lou, there are some old ladies jaywalking, let's go shoot them?
No thought there in your brain there huh bub, just IT'S THE LAW.


343 posted on 05/10/2005 3:37:25 PM PDT by Joe Boucher (an enemy of islam)
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To: kdot
I was pretty tired when I wrote my post. I agree with all that you replied; I just got stuck on the word priviledge.

It's my opinion that government largely ignore and control the population, as opposed to working for us, so when I heard about government giving and taking priviledges, I sorta snapped. I hadn't finished my coffee yet.

344 posted on 05/10/2005 3:38:13 PM PDT by Bear_Slayer
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To: Beelzebubba
I just read your tag line, you're an attorney.

Lololololol I knew you spoke like one. Attorneys and used car salesmen, are the only people on the face of the planet that could sell an icebox to an eskimo. They do have the gift of gab. I'm not slamming you, honest. It's just your post struck me as the way an attorney speaks. Lololol

345 posted on 05/10/2005 3:44:08 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Joe Boucher

Contrary to your beliefs, a law is a law. Speeding is breaking a law. And officers are there to enforce the law. This woman broke a law. She should have been cited for it. If she wanted to protest it, she can do that in front of the judge, don't argue with the officer. If you would like to change a law, you yourself can take it up with your state legislature to have all speed limits removed from your area. That is your right.


346 posted on 05/10/2005 4:03:00 PM PDT by Cate
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To: Revelation 911; pbrown

I just started reading this thread and this may have already been answered but one of the reasons for the lower speed limit in school zones is that if a child runs out in front of you, you are more likely to get stopped at a rate of 20 mph than 30 mph.


347 posted on 05/10/2005 4:05:12 PM PDT by tuffydoodle
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To: 5Madman2

Come back when you have a valid point, not colored by your crappy attitude



So what did it mean when you wrote earlier:

"I like to say it's been nice talking to ... you. Yes, I'd really like to. Goodbye"

(Why is it a crappy attitude for me to condemn cops who knowingly stand by and do nothing about the bad cops they know of?)


348 posted on 05/10/2005 4:09:15 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: pbrown

What words did I put in your mouth?



The notion that we should pick and choose the laws we obey. your words, not mine.


349 posted on 05/10/2005 4:10:11 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: pbrown

Your statement flies in the face of reality. For a child sake I wouldn't want you to be responsible for their safety since you think all children should behave like little adults concerning safety. Children are children. They don't always look both ways before crossing a street. They don't always think before darting out between two parked cars chasing a ball.



So? How does this establish 20mph as a proper speed limit?


350 posted on 05/10/2005 4:11:04 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: pbrown

I knew you spoke like one. Attorneys and used car salesmen, are the only people on the face of the planet that could sell an icebox to an eskimo. They do have the gift of gab.



Thanks, but that doesn't exempt you from supporting your position.


351 posted on 05/10/2005 4:12:08 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: Beelzebubba
So? How does this establish 20mph as a proper speed limit?

The powers that be, the ones we elected must have done a study that determines what the mph should be in that certain area. The speed limit in the one the woman got a ticket in was 20 mph. She exceeded the limit and was ticketed for it.

Rules, our lives are dictated by rules. Without them there would be mayhem and chaos.

352 posted on 05/10/2005 4:17:34 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: tuffydoodle
you are more likely to get stopped at a rate of 20 mph than 30 mph.

I agree. Some people apparently don't believe in the law of physics. Forward energy is easier to stop at 20 mph rather than 32 mph.

353 posted on 05/10/2005 4:23:24 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Beelzebubba
The notion that we should pick and choose the laws we obey. your words, not mine.

Then I spoke those words. I didn't put them in your mouth.

354 posted on 05/10/2005 4:25:42 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Beelzebubba
Thanks, but that doesn't exempt you from supporting your position.

You're welcome. I have supported my position. She was speeding and was pulled over for it. She exceeded the posted 20 mph limit.

355 posted on 05/10/2005 4:28:21 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: pbrown

I'm slowly reading through the thread and I think there's plenty of blame to go around here. The pregnant woman was nuts not to sign the ticket or get out of the car when told to. I have 5 kids and I can't imagine getting into a confrontation with ANYONE while I was pregnant. It wouldn't even have occured to me to do something that stupid. That said, the cop was also wrong, tasered a pregnant woman?? Good grief, what are they hiring, Jethro Bodines?

I do think the slow speed in school zones is extremely important. Kids just don't pay attention to what they are doing, especially at the end of the school day and they are excited about going home.


356 posted on 05/10/2005 4:32:20 PM PDT by tuffydoodle
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To: tuffydoodle
That said, the cop was also wrong, tasered a pregnant woman??

I don't agree with the tazering of a pregnant woman either. What was his other options? Sitting there till the cows come home? I don't know what I would have done in his place. Maybe pull her fingers off the steering wheel one by one till they had her free of it. She would probably be fighting them if it got to that point.

His was told my his commander to arrest her. You and I would just sign the ticket and be on our merry way and argue it in traffic court if we thought we were right. She brought the officers actions upon herself and is now crying foul. She should have obeyed the school zone speed limit, and thought of her baby first, which she called her unborn fetus. I recoil that an 8th month pregnant woman would use that term concerning her baby.

357 posted on 05/10/2005 4:47:23 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Right Angler
"As far as physically forcing her to release her grip on the steering wheel, it is nearly impossible to make someone do that without injuring them. Try it sometime. If an adult doesn't want to let go of a steering wheel, it often takes amounts of force that lead to sprains, broken bones, nerve damage etc....

WHY DIDN'T THEY JUST "SHOOT" HER!!!!

Nice clean 9mm to the head!!!

"Pregnant woman shot resisting arrest for refusing to sign speeding ticket."

The wheels are coming off, folks!

Some of you conservatives need to get a grip and quit justifying whatever LEA does, under ANY circumstances.

(FROM A FORMER FED AGENT, BY THE WAY!!)



358 posted on 05/10/2005 5:07:32 PM PDT by An American Patriot ("GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME"-- the opportunity to get the Hell out of here! Bye Bye VT- Hello, VA)
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To: pbrown
These posts get out of control. 350+ replies is nucking futs.

But I strongly beleive too that Police have one of the toughest jobs in the world. They have to work with the absolute dregs of society day in, day out, 24/7/365.

Thank goodness I'm not a Police Officer because I'd probably use about a clip of ammo a day just out of frustration of dealing with derelicts all the time. I'd probably leave body counts in my wake that would make General Westmoreland proud.

359 posted on 05/10/2005 5:07:47 PM PDT by libs_kma (USA: The land of the Free....Because of the Brave!)
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To: pbrown

She used the term "fetus" because she was already thinking "lawsuit".

I'm with you, the minute I found out I was pregnant I used the term "baby". My baby, to be exact. A pregnant woman using the term fetus to describe her baby is more than creepy.


360 posted on 05/10/2005 5:11:09 PM PDT by tuffydoodle
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