Posted on 05/10/2005 1:51:41 AM PDT by Stoat
"Hopefully, your wife follows the laws and gets out of her car when a policeman asks her to. If she does, no problem and no tazer, only a speeding ticket. End of story."
sig heil comrad! well said.
Start your own thread, dude!
THE SUBJECT IS: "Police used Taser on pregnant driver"
my point is the ticket had already been rendered - what end is served by having her exit the vehicle -
I havent heard anyone explain that yet - nor has anyone explained if the non compliance to an arbitrary request warranted a taze from ole sparky
I dont forcibly have to agree to appear - that is my prerogative and I will face the legal consequences if thats the course of action (decidedly stupid) I decide to take.
My point is - you can not be forced to sign anything
and I will for the umpteenth time ask why ticket cams are exempt from this signatory promise to appear?
I don't defend ticket cams. A traffic ticket is actually an arrest. You can flap your gums all you want, but that is the fact of life. What happens then is entirely up to you. I suspect you would wind up in jail waiting for somebody to bail you out.
I, on the other hand, would smile, sign the ticket and drive home for dinner.
what other choices did the cops have? They had already called a supervisor.
1. Let her leave without signing the ticket. In Georgia that would mean they had not promised to appear in court and promising to appear is the condition of release without bail... otherwise a judge has to set bail.
2. Taser - we already see how that worked out - at 8 months the police need to consider the welfare of the baby no matter what their political stand.
3. Pain compliance -this is pretty much just torture - it's bad.
4. Wait her out. If there is no imminent traffic danger then this probably would have been best. Tell her she cannot leave without signing and that if she leaves her vehicle for any reason without signing she will be arrested.
This is obviously on a different scale but the lesson of Ruby Ridge that unless somebody is in danger the cops don't have to be under a time constraint.
You try and live in a society where there are no laws and no lawmen. You might be comfortable living with chaos and anarchy swirling about your head. A place where a thug can come and drag you from your home because he wants it. A place where only the meanest and most animalistic a lawless society can survive.
You go ahead and live there and take your family with you and see how long you live where only the most savage and strongest can survive.
You have fun in the world you want without rules and laws. Me and my family will take the society of laws.
Sig heil my foot. Get a grip on reality.
BTW. Kiss my butt.
THE SUBJECT IS: "Police used Taser on pregnant driver"
Who was breaking the law in a school zone which caused her to be pulled over. Without her speeding in the school zone, she would not have been stopped.
Try again.
The police officer is supposed to be the "voice of reason" in unreasonable situations. He did not use his discretion wisely, as I'm sure he had more than a few options available to handle the situation. If he felt his person was in danger the taser would have made sense. But to use it after he realized the lady was pregnant was excessive force.
I believe he called his headquarters because she was being uncooperative and they told him to arrest her. Don't hold me to it. I would have to reread the story to make sure.
most sheep would - content that theyve made the right choice........that is until officer friendly shows up to check your "papers"
thanks for a reasoned response
Agreed. As the majority of us do.
Only to a racist.
sig heil comrad!
Only a true comrad could justify tasering a pregnant women
taking her child to school.
Carry on comrad!
"32 mph - WHEW ! - good thing weve got that scofflaw off the street........(while pedophiles prey on our children) (sarcasm)"
12 over the limit in a school zone. That's a wee bit serious. I suppose that, had she hit a child, you'd say, "Hey, she chlorinated the gene pool--no prob."
"nobody should have to sign anything under duress or threat of imprisonment"
You've just ended the concept of bail AND being released on one's own recognizance. OK, so from now on, in your ideal world, a speeding ticket gets you in the lockup until your case is heard...
OK, this lady is just FLAT STUPID!!
I AM eight months pregnant. If I got pulled over for speeding through a school zone (whether or not I agreed with their assessment), I would take the dang ticket. You can dispute it later in court. If I were really THAT concerned about what signing the ticket meant, I would add a little note to the citation saying I disputed it.
Geesh! It's a traffic ticket! It's not worth arguing with the cops over, especially when they're showing you a weapon (since she says she didn't recognize it as a taser, I presume she could see that it was a weapon of SOME kind!).
The cops were pretty dumb to taser her, though. I'm sure they had to know there would be a PR fallout, regardless.
*Sigh*
No. It's having the wisdom to know where battle lines are drawn. A speeding ticket is not the end of civilization as we know it.
how about this scenario in Rev911-topia?
Place a "boot" on her car IF her signature is legally required.
If her sig was not legally required - let her go home and sign the cop up for a refresher on "reasonable force, reasoned responses"
"PLEASE!!!!!! School zone speed limits are speed traps. 20 mph is overkill. 32 mph is perfectly safe in all but the most congested school zones. Don't be one of those whiny "It's for the children." ninny's."
I really hope you don't have any kids. We've got a surplus of really stupid people as it is.
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