To: Dimensio
To which "God", out of the thousands worshipped throughout human history, do you refer and why?>>>>>
Your question is a very good bifurcation line that most ID people would accept as the place to stop the discussion in a class on origins.
One need go no further than stating that the cosmos seems to bear the marks of design by an intelligent source (or sources), and refer them to a personal study of philosophy, religion, etc, if they have questions.
The idea that this will lead to high school chemistry class morphing into a gaggle of hesychastic monks contemplating their navels is a bogeyman of naturalists which deserves to be scoffed at.
I will grant you that there WILL be instructors who will color this. The committed materialist will not be able to resist sneering and inserting snide comments as he covers this, and there will be wellmeaning but dimwitted fundies who will try to open Genesis to correlate, and I can imagine an IMAM in Dearborn MI teaching his class that this confirms the glorious Quran. SO WHAT? How different is this from imbeciles who teach that Communnists were "left wing" and NAZIs were "right wing," or that John Maynard Keynes was a really insightful economist, that the policies of FDR pulled us out of the depression, rather than lengthened it, that the civil war was fought to liberate the slaves, that the Great Society programs have helped many minorities to succeed, or that global warming is caused by SUVs? The answer to that collection of unmitigated pile of pig sputum is NOT TO AVOID TEACHING KIDS THAT THERE EXISTED A MAN NAMED ADOLF HITLER, but to attempt to make your case, in print, in public, and in person. If you think ID is crap, then marshall your arguments, try to find an ID rep who has some intelligence (it is more fun to debate an ignorant rant, but that is propaganda, not a learning exercise), and sponsor a debate at the H.S. Simply standing in a corner and reciting YOU HAVE NO CASE, ALL THE SMART GUYS ARE ON OUR SIDE is a poor way to defend your position, even to imbeciles.
To: chronic_loser
One need go no further than stating that the cosmos seems to bear the marks of design by an intelligent source...The problem is that the appearance of design has never been denied. The source of the design is natural selection.
The function of theory in science is not to produce truth, but to suggest lines of research that can actually be carried out. Natural selection has been a fertile source of research proposals for 150 years. ID has yet to publish a proposal that is not already part of mainstream research.
530 posted on
05/11/2005 6:37:28 AM PDT by
js1138
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