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Crew blamed for grounding US sub
BBC ^ | 8 May, 2005 | BBC

Posted on 05/09/2005 9:31:03 PM PDT by Former Military Chick

The crew of a US submarine that ran aground in the Pacific Ocean in January did not adequately review navigation charts, a Navy report says. The grounding could have been avoided if the crew had observed "prudent navigation practices", it says.

A sailor died and several were injured in the accident 600km (350 miles) south of the island of Guam, one of the most important US Pacific bases.

The nuclear reactor on the USS San Francisco was not damaged.

Data not transferred

The vessel was on its way to Australia, when it ran aground and suffered severe external damage.

The submarine hit a mountain while submerged 157m (525 feet) below the ocean's surface.

The mountain did not appear on the chart being used for navigation.

But other charts displayed "a navigation hazard in the vicinity of the grounding", the US Navy's 124-page report said.

It blamed the team for not reviewing those charts adequately and for not transferring "pertinent data" to the chart being used for navigation.

"Even if not wholly avoided, however, the grounding would not have been as severe and loss of life may have been prevented," the report said.

The Los Angeles-class submarines are 109.73m (360 ft) long and are classed as attack vessels, designed to counter enemy submarines or surface vessels. They are equipped with a single nuclear reactor.


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KEYWORDS: nuclearsub; usnavy; usssanfrancisco
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I suspect some heads will roll with this finding.
1 posted on 05/09/2005 9:31:04 PM PDT by Former Military Chick
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To: Former Military Chick
Captain has already been relieved of command... It is a bogus decision; even with the updated data, it puts the 'dangerous zone' half a mile off of their course.

This is called 'you broke your billion dollar toy, you're paying for it with your career; otherwise we have to answer long involved questions with the folks on the committees in Washington.'

In my opinion, give that captain, xo, and the master of the boat medals for saving that ship and all but one soul of the crew after a high speed collision with a fixed surface. Hopefully they'll pick up nice consulting fees for writing the new manual for damage control.

I'm deeply impressed.
2 posted on 05/09/2005 9:38:28 PM PDT by kingu
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To: Former Military Chick

The heads have already rolled. Captain Mooney was relieved and reprimanded, so he's through driving submarines. He'll retire in a year or so. Several others got other forms of NJP.

OTOH, several of the crew were awarded medals and other attaboys for their heroics following the crash. CDR Mooney and his crew saved the boat and the lives of all but one.


3 posted on 05/09/2005 9:38:33 PM PDT by SmithL (Proud Submariner)
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To: Former Military Chick; Admin Moderator

While not a duplicate, it's basically the same as the May 7 article by James Song.


4 posted on 05/09/2005 9:38:43 PM PDT by de Buillion (God bless John Moses Browning and the NRA)
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To: Former Military Chick
Everything that happens aboard a ship, good, bad, indifferent, is the CO's fault. It sucks in this case, because the Navy either blames the CO or admit their charts are incorrect. After serving 8 years in the canoe club, I've never once seen or heard of the Navy admiting a mistake.
5 posted on 05/09/2005 9:38:49 PM PDT by CrawDaddyCA (There is no such thing as a fair fight. Thou shall win at all costs!!)
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To: CrawDaddyCA

They tried hard not to but I would submit that the name Clayton Hartwig should ring a bell or two.


6 posted on 05/09/2005 9:52:03 PM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (You can turn your head away from the Berg video and still hear Al Queda's calls to prayer.)
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To: TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig

I had almost forgotten about that. The Navy tried it's best to ruin that sailor. Thanks for helping me prove my point.


7 posted on 05/09/2005 9:55:03 PM PDT by CrawDaddyCA (There is no such thing as a fair fight. Thou shall win at all costs!!)
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To: de Buillion; SmithL
If you feel the need to report to the MODS perhaps you should at least give them the link so that if they feel this is a "duplicate" they can at least redirect said article to those accessing this one.

It is the courteous way to do things.

What the heck I will do it for you.

BTW, SmithL you are a class act for not rubbing my nose that I had posted a more up to date but similar article.

Submarine crash could have been avoided

8 posted on 05/09/2005 10:02:06 PM PDT by Former Military Chick
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To: Former Military Chick

Captain Mooney . . . welcome to the Admiral Kimmel Club ! ! !


9 posted on 05/09/2005 10:03:17 PM PDT by GravityFree ( Death is not the end, nor the beginning of the end, but only the end of the beginning ! ! !)
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To: de Buillion

You mean the Song remains the same?


10 posted on 05/09/2005 10:05:54 PM PDT by SlowBoat407 (I'm not nearklym drunk enough tom deal with it. - FReeper Wormwood, 4/18/05)
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To: Former Military Chick
BTW, SmithL you are a class act for not rubbing my nose that I had posted a more up to date but similar article.

Mrs. SlowBoat's nose crinkles up all cute when it's rubbed.

11 posted on 05/09/2005 10:10:23 PM PDT by SlowBoat407 (I'm not nearklym drunk enough tom deal with it. - FReeper Wormwood, 4/18/05)
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To: kingu; SmithL; CrawDaddyCA; GravityFree; SlowBoat407
How the Stars and Stripes covered this:

Skipper of grounded ship removed from command
USS Patriot remains in dry dock following March 19 incident

By Greg Tyler, Stars and Stripes
Pacific edition, Monday, May 9, 2005

SASEBO NAVAL BASE, Japan — Citing a loss of confidence, Rear Adm. Victor Guillory, Amphibious Force 7th Fleet commander, removed from command Lt. Cmdr. Mike Little, skipper of the mine countermeasure ship USS Patriot.

Little also received a punitive letter of reprimand from Guillory as part of the nonjudicial punishment administered in Sasebo, 7th Fleet officials stated in a release.

The lieutenant commander’s punishment follows a Judge Advocate General’s investigation into the grounding of the Patriot on March 19 near Chinhae Bay, South Korea. The incident, in which no injuries were reported, caused serious damage to the wooden hull and underwater sonar, the release said.

The Patriot, a 224-foot ship with a crew of 86 sailors, is still in dry dock receiving repairs. It and the mine countermeasure ship USS Guardian constitute Mine Countermeasures Division Eleven. Cmdr. Kurt E. Hedberg, the division’s commander, assumed the duties as Patriot’s commanding officer.

Little was reassigned to the Sasebo shore command’s headquarters staff.

12 posted on 05/09/2005 10:11:20 PM PDT by Former Military Chick
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To: Former Military Chick

I recall seeing training on the VMS as one of the issues in an earlier article. As a provider of training in navigation, that one got my interest.


13 posted on 05/09/2005 10:14:48 PM PDT by SlowBoat407 (I'm not nearklym drunk enough tom deal with it. - FReeper Wormwood, 4/18/05)
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To: kingu

Anybody want to bet, even though this was the "crew's fault", that the Navy is scrubbing all it's underwater charts?


14 posted on 05/09/2005 10:17:01 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Former Military Chick

I meant no offense, and do not know how to do that, I am sorry.


15 posted on 05/09/2005 10:17:09 PM PDT by de Buillion (God bless John Moses Browning and the NRA)
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To: Former Military Chick
Err.. We grounded another ship? Sheesh. Somebody get them some of these...


16 posted on 05/09/2005 10:17:43 PM PDT by kingu
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To: kingu

I agree with your synosis. Bravo to the Captain and a raspberry to the Navy Brass for making him a scapegoat.


17 posted on 05/09/2005 10:23:49 PM PDT by taxesareforever
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To: de Buillion
Fair enough. I think I speak for most Freeper's that if you have a question anyone will be happy to answer or direct you to where you can find the answer.

Here is a link that discusses how to post a link to another address on the net.

Have any questions feel free to Freepmail me and I will do what I can to assist.

Creating A Hypertext Link

18 posted on 05/09/2005 10:26:02 PM PDT by Former Military Chick
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To: Former Military Chick

Thank you very much for the link. I saved it in my favorites, and downloaded it into a word file. I believe that moderator approves of your thread now, I was just thinking that it was asmost exactly the same info as the one yesterday, altho different articles.


19 posted on 05/09/2005 10:37:09 PM PDT by de Buillion (God bless John Moses Browning and the NRA)
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To: SlowBoat407

Good to know! :)


20 posted on 05/09/2005 10:37:44 PM PDT by Former Military Chick
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