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To: Gengis Khan
So you are an apologist for those imperialists? Oh so you are! I dont think any Indian asked to be enslaved in return for...... "railroads, civil service, roads and other *critical* infrastructure" .

And the Harijans were treated so well before the British came and after the British left? Sorta calling the kettle black considering how India has treated it's own people especially the Dravidians?

90 posted on 05/09/2005 7:39:04 PM PDT by Trinity5
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To: Trinity5

No, the Harijans (that is, "Untouchables") weren't treated particularly well before the British came. You will note that they weren't treated any better by the British either. Their status only began to (still a long way to go) because of Gandhi's efforts and later, independent India's Constitution making untouchability illegal.

And I'm not sure what you mean by "how India has treated its own Dravidians"? The Dravidians are the indigenous people of south India, and they do very well for themselves. Most of the prosperous, educated states in India are the Dravidian states: Karnataka (where Bangalore is), Kerala, Tamil Nadu and Andhra Pradesh.


91 posted on 05/09/2005 9:13:32 PM PDT by Culum
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To: Trinity5

Oh, and I might add that discussing discrimination *before the British came* is a bit of a pointless discussion. In the 17th and 18th centuries, the world was a rather different place. The entire Western world was involved in slavery, there were no true democracies with universal suffrage, etc, etc.

Things change, people change, and societies change. We had a thrash about the status of lower castes in India a few weeks ago.let's not get back to it.


94 posted on 05/09/2005 9:19:03 PM PDT by Culum
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To: Trinity5

Hey, dont bring the artificial aryan(north)- dravidian(south) divide... its a non-starter.


95 posted on 05/09/2005 9:26:54 PM PDT by desidude_in_us (You live and learn. Or you don't live long.)
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To: Trinity5

"And the Harijans were treated so well before the British came and after the British left? Sorta calling the kettle black considering how India has treated it's own people especially the Dravidians?"

Hmmmm looks like you got your answers even before I could respond.

And what exactly are you saying about "Dravidians"? The "Dravidians" are a race in the south and have plenty of "higher casts" among them. I think the word you want to use is "Dalit" not "Dravidians".

Well firstly ...........under the British , Indians were treated like dogs and out of that the "Harijans" or "Dalits" were treated worst than dogs. Under independent India they have much more political power and add to that India has the worlds largest Affirmative Action program in the world. They are definitly treated way better than blacks in your country.


100 posted on 05/09/2005 9:57:00 PM PDT by Gengis Khan (Since light travels faster than sound, people appear bright until u hear them speak.)
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