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Collaborative Divorce Helps Ease the Split
San Diego Union-Tribune ^ | May 8, 2005 | Lynn O'Shaughnessy

Posted on 05/08/2005 12:05:08 PM PDT by Scenic Sounds

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"You see, the key word in this approach is collaboration, . . ."
1 posted on 05/08/2005 12:05:09 PM PDT by Scenic Sounds
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To: Scenic Sounds
Advice for the guys...
NoMarriage.Com
2 posted on 05/08/2005 12:06:58 PM PDT by Bon mots
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To: Scenic Sounds

It will still be torture on the kids. But it is all about the self-centered adults pleasure and desires these days.


3 posted on 05/08/2005 12:10:44 PM PDT by Mark in the Old South (Sister Lucia of Fatima pray for us)
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To: Scenic Sounds

How about putting the emphasis in "till death do us part"? While there are legitimate reasons why a person may desire to end a marriage, I think that way too many people get married with the idea that "if things don't work out" divorce is the solution. When that is in the spouses' mind, how can they be expected to work to make their marriage work?


4 posted on 05/08/2005 12:13:47 PM PDT by Former Fetus (fetuses are 100% pro-life, they just don't vote yet!)
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To: Bon mots

Oh please, this just teaches men how to disrespect women even more. What perversion!


5 posted on 05/08/2005 12:14:01 PM PDT by Halls
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To: Halls
Oh please, this just teaches men how to disrespect women even more. What perversion!

Oh my goodness. How thoughtless of me.
I forgot to add this link:

AmericanWomenSuck.Com

Feminists have created the environment for this backlash. Any man who signs a marriage contract with a modern Western Woman is nuts.

6 posted on 05/08/2005 12:15:41 PM PDT by Bon mots
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To: Scenic Sounds

Sounds like too many professionals to me. $$$$ Coming from a broken home I have never understood how two people that hate each other can say they love their kids who are half of the person they hate. I promised myself when I got married, if things did not work out, I would not bad mouth their father or ask for child support. Kids can figure out who is carrying the weight. They don't need a parent to point out the others fault IMO.


7 posted on 05/08/2005 12:15:59 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: Scenic Sounds
Shoot, shovel, shut up.

JUST KIDDING!

8 posted on 05/08/2005 12:16:50 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Bon mots
Uh..you *do* know that this is a Conservative site, right? That militant atheism is pretty much frowned upon by 90% of FR's members?

"What God has brought together, let man not seperate".

9 posted on 05/08/2005 12:26:32 PM PDT by Windsong (FighterPilot)
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That militant atheism is pretty much frowned upon by 90% of FR's members?

So is militant fundamentalism.

10 posted on 05/08/2005 12:29:03 PM PDT by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: Bon mots

TWO words......COVENANTAL MARRIAGE


11 posted on 05/08/2005 12:32:23 PM PDT by goodnesswins (Our military......the world's HEROES!)
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To: Bon mots

Feminists?? Not all women are feminists ya know. Please go back to whatever women hating site you came from.


12 posted on 05/08/2005 12:38:47 PM PDT by Halls
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To: Scenic Sounds
I guess it depends on which definition of collaboration it means.

1. Act of working jointly

or

2. Act of cooperating traitorously with an enemy.

LOL!

13 posted on 05/08/2005 12:43:10 PM PDT by unbalanced but fair
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To: Halls
Not all women are feminists ya know.

I suspect the percent is near zero on FR

14 posted on 05/08/2005 12:46:50 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Windsong
Uh..you *do* know that this is a Conservative site, right? That militant atheism is pretty much frowned upon by 90% of FR's members?

Yes, of course. I'm as far right as Robert Bork. My favorite President was and is Ronald W. Reagan.

But I am a radical anti-feminist. Feminist indoctrination has ruined American women and the institue of marriage.

The simple fact is that men are expected to sign a legal contract with a woman - a contract which statistically fails in more than 50% of instances. When it does fail, the man is expected to pay and pay. As a businessperson, I can think of no other place where a man is expected to sign a contract whereby if it fails - and now a majority of them do - he is required to lose his children and pay the other party regardless of fault. Men have been put into prison for refusing to pay off ex-wives.

I'm not an atheist. If I put up a link to an anti-feminist site and there are some other opinions expressed there, that doesn't mean I agree with ALL of them.

In fact, these two particular sites are to be taken with a grain of salt and a sense of humor... the AmericanWomenSuck.com site is supposedly written by "Vlad Tepes" (Vlad the Impaler), and is clearly a joke.

15 posted on 05/08/2005 12:52:39 PM PDT by Bon mots
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To: Halls
Feminists?? Not all women are feminists ya know. Please go back to whatever women hating site you came from.

No, they are not.

But put one of the non-feminists into divorce court with an American husband and watch her do a perfectly competent job of destroying his life.
They are all full of this "men owe us" mentality.

In the workplace, we are supposed to consider women our equals - which they clearly are not.
But put these two equals in a divorce courtroom (man and woman) and see how unequal the outcomes are!
Men should not commit to a conventional marriage CONTRACT under such lopsided conditions.

16 posted on 05/08/2005 1:02:02 PM PDT by Bon mots
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To: Windsong
"What God has brought together, let man not seperate".

His disciples say to him, If the case of the man is so with his wife, it is not good to marry.

17 posted on 05/08/2005 1:08:38 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: CindyDawg
I promised myself when I got married, if things did not work out, I would not bad mouth their father or ask for child support. Kids can figure out who is carrying the weight. They don't need a parent to point out the others fault IMO.

I didn't promise myself that when I got married. But I made that promise to myself when I got divorced. There was no need for me to bad mouth my ex in front of my daughter - she's a bright kid, and she's figured out pretty much what kind of person her mother is.

Of course, when a child catches their parent lying over and over again, it's pretty easy. That, and the fact that mom visits only when it's convenient for her. I didn't ask for child support. I know my ex, and I know how she is about things like that. It's ordered by the court anyways - $100 a month, at least that was up until March of 2003 when I got sole custody. Judge bumped it up to $150 a month until she paid off her arrears - of course, we haven't seen a dime of it. Her mom's got a new car though, manicures and pedicures twice a month, hair color - all that necessary stuff.

I don't sweat it though - we get along pretty well without it. That, and if she ever takes it into her thick head to try and get custody back, there's the little matter of around $8,000 in back child support that she's never paid to deal with first. And yes - I'll slam her for every dime if it comes to it.

But I don't think it will. A couple days before I filed for sole custody (we had joint, and I had primary physical custody) she called me in tears, telling me that being a mom took too much away from her social life. Of course, being the helpful kind of guy that I am - I did what I could to alleviate that burden - and filed for sole custody. She never responded, never showed up in court.

It was never a matter of hating my ex - it was a matter of getting my daughter (and yes, myself) out of the hell that my ex was intent upon turning our home into. I fought with myself for a year before filing - trying and trying to get us into counseling, trying to make things better. But you can only bail the boat so long before you realize the other person doesn't have a bucket, but a brace and bit, and they're drilling holes all through the hull.

Anyway, that's my rant.

18 posted on 05/08/2005 1:12:40 PM PDT by Tennessee_Bob (The Crew Chief's Toolbox: A roll around cabinet full of specialists.)
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To: Bon mots

And these days, why should he have to? There are plenty of women of all ages and backgrounds who have no problem having sex with whoever wants them. And men who don't cook have ample frozen food alternatives these days. Women can have babies by a sperm donor. Men can get their parental rights terminated so they don't need to pay child support. Men and women just don't need each other these days, especially in a marriage. As for how children fare, well, that's another argument altogether.


19 posted on 05/08/2005 1:22:43 PM PDT by mlc9852
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To: Tribune7

Yep, considering the women here on FR are Conservative I bet you are right, LOL!


20 posted on 05/08/2005 1:26:26 PM PDT by Halls
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