[GarySpFc]

And as a matter of faith it's unobjectionable. As a matter of science, it fails the most basic test of science because what the Pope proposes here cannot be tested. And that's why it doesn't belong in a science classroom.

And it is a matter of faith on the part of the scientists part to say 'nature is all there is' as stated by Carl Sagan, Gould, Provie, Dawkins, etc. You can count on this pope saying there is design in nature, which Dawkins "by faith" says nature only gives the appearance of design.

[Gumlegs]

And it is a matter of faith on the part of the scientists part to say 'nature is all there is' as stated by Carl Sagan, Gould, Provie, Dawkins, etc.

No, it's a matter of what can be tested.

[stremba]

Maybe Sagan, Gould, Dawkins, Provine, et. al don't actually speak for all of science in general or for all individual scientists, but rather are promoting their own personal agendas.