She's not married, just LOOK at her picture....
Posted on 05/07/2005 7:54:12 AM PDT by Teflonic
Did he resist the school authorities? Did he use vulgarity and disrespect when confronted by those authorities? If he did, he should be punished for it--unless, of course, it's school policy to allow students to be disrespectful and vulgar when, in their eyes, the circumstances warrant it. The nails are another story. If that's bad policy, it should be debated at the proper level by the appropriate individuals.
Which is precisely what this kid did as the occasion clearly called for it.
but they have the wisdom and maturity to accept the consequences that arise from their actions.
And this kid did as well. He served his suspension time did he not?
A very wise post.
"I think what they really need is a policy that allows a child to respond in a vulgar and disrespectful fashion (including the application of a quick punch in the gut, or kick in the shin) to a teacher or administrator whenever, in that child's opinion, the said teacher or administrator has attempted to enforce a policy with which the child does not agree. And there should be a machine in each classroom that continually shoots out caramel candies and Hershey Kisses, which the teachers will unwrap for the students and proffer when the children cry out for them."
Who in the world are you, and what planet, sir or ma'am, do you come from?
I was incensed about the action of the teacher, and I thoroughly understood the reaction of the student because we had a son serving in a very hot spot in Iraq. We lived in fear for seven months because we knew that every call from him could be his last. There was a segment on CBS when his platoon was shown as one of his very good friends was pulled back through a gate, ver badly wounded. What we knew was our son was right outside that gate, going after the bad guys who had injured Johnson. My wife and I were upset and crying because we knew how close he had come to being killed or wounded, too. Every phone call from him was precious.
But I totally depart from you when you want policies that put the students in charge, that would encourage students to attack teachers at the students' whim. In Iraq, they call the people who do these kind of things terrorist and insurgents. I would fight you tooth and nail to prevent it.
Thank you for correcting my thinking. (This is not sarcasm.) I hope you are right.
This kid got to speak to his mom about once a month.
Calls are on a catch as catch can basis, you cannot "schedule" them in advance. You cannot expect the rest of the folks in line over there to wait 10 minutes while the school people decide to get your kid out of class, or no one will get to get their call through.
This might have been his last chance to talk to his mom.
Defend this pencil necked pissant authoritarianism if you must. I, personally think the whole thing could have been handled by asking to verify the identity of the caller and letting the kid finish the call, not grabbing the phone from him and losing the connection.
As for grabbing the phone and initiating hostilities, assault me, and I will kick your ass and ask questions later, I don't care who you are.
Let me tell you something. I raised three children and put each of them through the public schools. Since my wife and I are doctrinaire conservatives, and the public schools are doctrinaire, but hardly conservative, there were numerous school policies with which we didn't agree, and we were forever fighting the local district over something. We carried on this war through the proper channels, employing proper, adult methods of discourse, and we never allowed our children to use these disagreements as an excuse for disrespect toward the people in authority over them at the school. We did this in the belief that our first responsibility was toward our children, not our feelings.
Whether criminal arrest is a proper use of school authority in the case you mentioned has absolutely nothing at all to do with minor children defying legitimate authority. These are two separate issues, and must be dealt with as such.
I suspect you just made my case for me. Or are you simply returning my sarcasm?
You must have kicked a lot off ass in your day. I think you're one of the main reasons I never wanted to be a cop.
She's not married, just LOOK at her picture....
not married, has no wedding ring.
Suppose the call had been to inform him that his mom had been injured in a civillian accident at home?
IMHO, the best reason for my kids to have cell phones is for emergency communication, in this case, I strenuously object to the knee-jerk lack of common sense on the part of school personnel.
How is anyone supposed to respect administrators who act without wisdom, and whose actions show their disrespect for the young man involved and his mother who is serving our country?
This could have been handled much better.
He is dead, as of 5 years ago.
LOL.
Conversations with police have always been civil, partly because they are professionals.
The amatuerish authoritarianism exhibited here was unnecessary, and assaulting the student in the middle of speaking to his mom, when that could have been verified by request and the phone returned to the student to complete the call, was ridiculous and immature on the part of the school's representative.
I have always used physical force only in response to physical force, not been the initiator.
If, as a cop, you would have initiated force unnecessarily or inappropriately, it is a good thing you found a different line of work. You probably would not have lasted long.
I'd be interested in knowing how you'd react if a cop came up and grabbed your cell phone.
Can I revise the question to be a little more appropriate for this circumstance? You're using your cell phone in a place where cell phone usage is prohibited, such as in a courtroom or some hospital locations, and the policeman asks you to turn it over, you refuse, and he grabs it.
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