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To: Dionysiusdecordealcis
Nice try, but, sorry, this was the pretext used by absolutist rulers to deny religious liberty to their Catholic subjects.

As an historian whose major field was Modern Europe, I read the historical record far differently than you do. It's not worth arguing about.

55 posted on 05/06/2005 2:44:44 PM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: CatoRenasci

Indeed is your challenger saying that the Catholic Church never denied liberties to non Catholic subjects, hello can we say Spanish Inquisition......


59 posted on 05/06/2005 2:48:52 PM PDT by littlelilac
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To: CatoRenasci
As an historian whose major field was Modern Europe, I read the historical record far differently than you do.

Should persons living under the Nazi regime have obeyed the secular law, attempted to withdraw from public life, or subverted the system and disobeyed the law when necessary in order to save the most lives?

What if those persons were confessing Catholics?

62 posted on 05/06/2005 2:50:10 PM PDT by Campion (Truth is not determined by a majority vote -- Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: CatoRenasci
I wrote: Nice try, but, sorry, this was the pretext used by absolutist rulers to deny religious liberty to their Catholic subjects.

You replied: As an historian whose major field was Modern Europe, I read the historical record far differently than you do. It's not worth arguing about.

Yes, you do read history differently--your method is called "blame the victim." It's the same method Bill Clinton used with regard to Waco: "some religious fanatics burned themselves alive." By your reading, Martin Luther King should have just put up with Jim Crow laws and Gandhi should have told his fellow Hindus to buck up and take their medicine.

And these are rhetorical arguments, in case you were wondering about the genre. If you don't want to bother with reason, perhaps you'll be interested in rhetoric.

Incidentally, I have a degree in history too. So as far as the appeal to authority is concerned, we're even. But, as Aristotle said, that's the weakest of arguments.

158 posted on 05/06/2005 4:34:13 PM PDT by Dionysiusdecordealcis
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