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To: dervish
Now please read post #20 on this thread, in it there is a quote where quidnunc clearly states that he was on a personal crusade against British posters here on FR, due entirely to his preconceived anti-British bias.

There is tremendous anti-US garbage coming out of UK fomented by your press especially the supposedly neutral BBC.

Firstly, I despise the BBC and would like to see them disbanded. Secondly, there are also plenty of leftist news sources in the USA attacking the Bush administration, so you should hardly be surprised that the leftist media in European countries is also attacking it.

The Conservative Party did sell out the US.

No it didn't.

Instead of denying the obvious, since you post here and thus must feel differently, why don't you just disagree with the Conservative/Howard party line of US bashing instead of revising the truth?

I would disagree with it, if it had existed, but it didn't.

What I am seeing on this and other threads is a UK contingent attempting to stifle the posting by Quid of legitimate authors who are critical of the UK. It is the UK contingent, like yourself, who are personally attacking the poster with comments on his motivations for posting.

When someone only posts articles that attack Britain (usually with flimsy evidence), along with untrue statements and exaggerations to further his self-confessed agenda to anger British posters, then yes I take exception to it. Maybe you should too.

59 posted on 05/08/2005 12:53:35 PM PDT by David Hunter
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To: David Hunter
When someone only posts articles that attack Britain (usually with flimsy evidence), along with untrue statements and exaggerations to further his self-confessed agenda to anger British posters, then yes I take exception to it. Maybe you should too.

When you spank the UK posters who cause trouble (ie. posting under many different names) then many will side with you. Yet, as long as the " UK tribe of rule breakers" continue they should receive no quarter!

BTW I enjoy yours and Ivan's posts.

63 posted on 05/08/2005 4:50:05 PM PDT by sausageseller (Look out for the jackbooted spelling police. There! Everywhere!(revised cause the "man" accosted me!)
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To: David Hunter; MadIvan; quidnunc

“Now please read post #20 on this thread, in it there is a quote where quidnunc clearly states that he was on a personal crusade against British posters here on FR, due entirely to his preconceived anti-British bias.”

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First as I have repeated several times, motivation is none of your business. The articles are. Nevertheless addressing you obsession with his reasons, as I read it quidnunc said he was tired of Brit Bush bashing and would make it his business to expose this trait. And he has done so. On FR that strikes me as a perfectly legitimate motivation. Any other reading of his post, or ludicrous speculation which I have read on FR (ie: a British woman dumped him) as to his ‘real’ motives is a distortion of what he said and none of your business.

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“Firstly, I despise the BBC and would like to see them disbanded. Secondly, there are also plenty of leftist news sources in the USA attacking the Bush administration, so you should hardly be surprised that the leftist media in European countries is also attacking it.”

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I am glad to hear that you personally “despise the BBC.” However your anti-Americanism was never questioned. Unlike the personal attacks you have directed at quid, he posted articles which referred to the British public not you. As I suggested earlier, to the extent that you disagree with anti-Americanism in the UK, I am very glad that you make your opinions known.

As to the comparison of the BBC to US left media, the BBC is not the same on several fronts. The BBC is a state funded media and the main source of broadcast news in UK. It is not in general on the left so its anti-US position can not be explained that way. I explain it as being very Arabist. Also, the BBC is shown internationally which makes its impact quite serious.

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“The Conservative Party did sell out the US." dervish

"No it didn't." David Hunter

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“In February 2004, Howard called on Tony Blair to resign over the Iraq war, because he had failed to ask "basic questions" regarding WMD claims and misleading the Parliament. (*) In July the Tory leader stated that he would not have voted for the motion that authorised the Iraq war had he known the quality of intelligence information which the WMD claims were based on. At the same time, he said he still believed in the Iraq invasion was right because "the prize of a stable Iraq was worth striving for". (*) His criticism of Blair did not earn Howard sympathies in Washington, where President Bush refused to meet him; Karl Rove is reported to have told Howard: "You can forget about meeting the president full stop. Don't bother coming."

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/M/Mi/Michael_Howard.htm

So do you disagree with this account?

“Michael Howard deepened his feud with the White House yesterday when he pointedly refused to offer the traditional post-election congratulations to George Bush.

Angered by a White House edict banning him from meeting the president - as punishment for criticising Tony Blair over Iraq - Mr Howard said it would be wrong for him to express any view on the poll.

In an interview with the Sunday Telegraph the arch-Atlanticist was asked whether he was pleased that a fellow rightwinger had beaten a liberal. He said: "I made it clear that I could work perfectly well with both President Bush and President Kerry ... I don't think it's appropriate to express a view on those elections."

Mr Howard's remarks may appear bland. But in the language of diplomacy they amount to a rebuke to Mr Bush - and in particular to his polling guru, Karl Rove, who told him he would not be welcome at the White House after he criticised Mr Blair's use of intelligence before the Iraq war.

Mr Rove was reported by the Sun as telling Howard aides: "You can forget about him meeting the president. Don't bother coming."

In his interview Mr Howard hit back at Mr Rove, who is widely credited with masterminding President Bush's decisive victory. Criticising the White House for being "very protective" of Mr Blair, he added: "I am not going to be told by anyone how to do my job and if it displeases those in the White House, that's tough."

Mr Howard's decision to distance himself from the White House reflects his belief that Mr Bush is so unpopular in Britain that voters will be impressed by a politician who stands up to him. This has created a unprecedented situation in which a Labour prime minister will be feted at the White House while a Tory leader is cold-shouldered.”

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/conservatives/story/0,9061,1345806,00.html

And that one?


64 posted on 05/08/2005 7:19:32 PM PDT by dervish (Let Europe pay for NATO)
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