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Beast's real mark devalued to '616'not '666'
National Post ^ | 5/5/05

Posted on 05/06/2005 9:22:56 AM PDT by KidGlock

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To: isthisnickcool
How can you really tell?

By their shootouts, thou shalt know them.

81 posted on 05/06/2005 12:11:17 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The world needs more work horses, and fewer Jackasses!)
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To: dubyaismypresident

You are a freaking genius! Very clever - and scary........lol


82 posted on 05/06/2005 12:44:00 PM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Prayers for healing and relief from pain for Cowboy...........)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

What-ever...if a governmental system arises with an almost irresistably charismatic leader at the helm who says "if you love me take my symbol on your right hand or forehead" then be afraid...be very afraid!


83 posted on 05/06/2005 12:57:40 PM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: null and void
"Used to have the 666 prefix"...

My inlaws still do :~)..

84 posted on 05/06/2005 1:03:16 PM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: logic
So what does "Allah" get you?

Bloody hands.

as in:

"You're in Bloody Hands with Allah State"...

85 posted on 05/06/2005 1:15:42 PM PDT by null and void (...that no man, rich or poor, free or bond, shall buy or sell, save he that has the chip...)
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To: Old Mountain man
Not at all. Joseph Smith translated the book correctly. There were clerical and printers errors. Other differences in our religion are simply the result of revelation through our prophets. See, it all fits in the bigger picture.

Well, the Mormons claim that a voice from heaven told the witnesses to the Book of Mormon that the translation was correct. So if it was correct, why have there been nearly 4000 changes made to it since then?

Joseph Smith tried to change the Book of Mormon to support his concept of a plurality of Gods. One of the most significant changes was made in 1 Nephi 13:40. In the 1830 edition it was stated that the very purpose of the Nephite records was to make known that Christ is the Eternal Father: "... These last records, ... shall make known to all kindreds, tongues, and people, that the Lamb of God is the Eternal Father and the Savior of the world ..." (Book of Mormon, 1830 ed., p.32). In the current edition, three words have been interpolated: "... These last records, ... shall make known to all kindreds, tongues, and people, that the Lamb of God is the Son of the Eternal Father, and the Savior of the world...." That is but ONE example of Smith changing the BOM as his doctrine changed. Yet, "the voice" told him it was correct to begin with. Ohhhhhhhh, "the voice" must have meant "as far as correctly translated".

Now, wrong numbers, that's pretty interesting.

LOL. As interesting as not being able to make up one's mind who God/Christ is?

Beyond that, I can show you where the BOM teaches one thing and the LDS Church teaches another on many, many things.

Is there one God? BOM says YES, LDS says NO

Is God a Spirit? BOM says YES, LDS says NO

Does God dwell in one's heart? BOM says YES, LDS says NO

God Cannot Lie according to the BOM, yet God COMMANDS it in the Smith's "Pearl of Great Price".

Is God's Word unchangeable? BOM says NO, LDS says YES

Was there Pre-Existence of Man? BOM says NO, LDS says YES

Does death seal a man's fate? BOM says YES, LDS says NO

Are the heathen saved without baptism? BOM says YES, LDS says NO

Can murder be forgiven? BOM says YES, LDS says NO

Polygamy is condemned in the BOM, while the LDS Church later said that polygamy was COMMANDED!

The BOM is against paid ministry, while D&C is FOR it.

The heart and soul of LDS doctrine is that man can evolve into a god. Yet, there is not even a whiff of that in the BOM.

And on and on...

Now THAT'S interesting. :-)

86 posted on 05/06/2005 1:24:45 PM PDT by GLDNGUN
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To: KidGlock; All

Nonsense. God would not allow his Word to come down to his people with such an important detail corrupted.

The original was 666, not 616 if God is sovereign and worthy of worship.

If God would let his Word become corrupted, what else can't we trust?

The number is 666.


87 posted on 05/06/2005 1:28:07 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=rwfromkansas)
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To: All

And I should note that I don't pay much attention to end times theology stuff...I reject Hal Lindsey and similar nutcases.

But, I believe God's word to be true and if this is wrong, I would not know what else to trust.


88 posted on 05/06/2005 1:33:30 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=rwfromkansas)
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To: GLDNGUN

You must think that you are an expert on the BOM? Ever read it or just some silly anti-Mormon books and websites?


89 posted on 05/06/2005 1:39:59 PM PDT by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: Old Mountain man
You must think that you are an expert on the BOM?

I have read it and certainly know enought about it (as demonstrated) that I don't need to hear someone arrogantly comment "see, we were right all along...as far as correctly translated" in regards to the Bible. This article offers no proof whatsoever that the Bible has been incorrectly translated, yet you are too happy to swallow it hook, line, and sinker. Why? Because you want it to be so?

90 posted on 05/06/2005 1:48:54 PM PDT by GLDNGUN
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To: GLDNGUN

Because it is so.


91 posted on 05/06/2005 1:49:54 PM PDT by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: Old Mountain man
Because it is so.

LOL Well, at least you aren't trying to pass yourself off as a Bible-loving Christian.

If you believe in the "oldest is best" theory that you are applying here to the Bible, then you must also apply it the Book of Mormon, and if you apply it the BOM, then you are left with the choice of believing in it OR the LDS Church, but certainly not both.

I'm guessing you're not ready to be as intellectually honest with the BOM as you think you are with the Bible.

92 posted on 05/06/2005 2:04:19 PM PDT by GLDNGUN
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To: GLDNGUN

You would guess wrong. Remember that little difference between "kill" and "murder" in the 10 commandments you folks are so fond of? That was a purposeful change in the KJV translation. How many more? Who knows? How many omissions? Who knows.


93 posted on 05/06/2005 2:07:45 PM PDT by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: Old Mountain man
"you folks"???

LOL I can't tell you how refreshing it is to see a Mormon draw battle lines instead of trying to "blend in" with the Christian world. The current LDS leadership must have been driving you crazy for the past 2 or 3 decades as they've tried to become more "PC" in a Christian way.

You would guess wrong.

Oh no, my friend, the more you run down the Bible only makes my point stronger. You aren't intellectually honest enough to apply the same strict standards to the BOM and the LDS Church that you want applied to the Bible.

I dare say I can find more changes, alterations, and omissions in the BOM in its brief history than you could hope to find in the Bible that has stood the test of time for thousands of years.

94 posted on 05/06/2005 2:21:07 PM PDT by GLDNGUN
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To: GLDNGUN

Some of the major revelations are intriguingly timed as well, such as the denouncing of polygamy when previously it had been commanded and the announcement that blacks were people too.

True, they fixed that last detail about a century before some people caught on.


95 posted on 05/06/2005 2:29:57 PM PDT by ahayes
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To: ahayes
Some of the major revelations are intriguingly timed as well, such as the denouncing of polygamy when previously it had been commanded and the announcement that blacks were people too.

True, they fixed that last detail about a century before some people caught on.

Oh? They didn't allow blacks to hold the priesthood until 1978, if that's what you are referring to. It's been a little easier for BYU to recruit some athletes since then. LOL

96 posted on 05/06/2005 2:34:54 PM PDT by GLDNGUN
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To: GLDNGUN

You know, I was thinking 1870's, but I went to check and all I can find is the 1970's one! That makes the timing even more convenient! ;-)


97 posted on 05/06/2005 2:37:49 PM PDT by ahayes
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To: BadAndy
What if the correct translation of the 10 commandments says Thou SHALT steal?

Senator Clinton, please return to DU immediately!
;-)
98 posted on 05/06/2005 2:39:30 PM PDT by Bon mots
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To: KidGlock

My oldest Bible with a concordance says the number is either 666 or 616. Must be a slow news day.


99 posted on 05/06/2005 2:43:27 PM PDT by RobRoy (Child support and maintenence (alimony) are what we used to call indentured slavery)
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To: ahayes
That makes the timing even more convenient!

Yes, another example of them trying to be more "PC" and blend in. For over a hundred years the Mormon leaders had taught that blacks could not be given the priesthood until the millennium. I guess the pressures of mainstream Christianity, the civil rights movement, and the need for better athletes at BYU just word God down, and so He changed His mind. LOL

100 posted on 05/06/2005 2:47:26 PM PDT by GLDNGUN
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