Posted on 05/05/2005 4:58:01 PM PDT by F14 Pilot
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Then whatever we are doing there is waste of money and time?
So why are we there in the middle east trying to democratize them?
Because that will destroy the power of the Islamists. The Islamists know this. That is why they don't like the idea of a democratic Arab country.
How many churches in Saudi Arabia?
Only the underground church.
Sure...just not the militant, terrorist, 'run-of-the-mill' Islam that is so popular today. Gotta change some hearts (or, failing that, blow a "few" of them to bits).
Unless you are an infidel.
The problem is that islam is so illogical that so much wrong can be done in it's name. When he starts talking about us all being viceroys of allah, that alone does it.
None. Why do you ask?
So, hold on here. What's that Islamic rule about being able to "snow" the opponent if it brings you close enough to knife him in the heart?
I have recall problems, but didn't I read about that somewhere on FR?
This sounds just like that, ya think?
Not until we kill off the wingnut faction. Those idiots are lost in the 1400s and can't get their minds straight.
AlTaqiyya
Yeah, like in Sura 9:5, where it says "...kill them (non-moslems) wherever you find them."
Sure sounds like a whole lot of patience and tolerance to me. Yezzir!! (/sarc.)
Abou El Fadl must believe that noone but he has ever read the koran.
Have you ever been to Israel? Do your homework,please...
The author is writing this for the consumption of gullible infidels. Here is an antidote.
"Here is Part One of "Islam for Infidels," a new three-part series by Jihad Watch Vice President Hugh Fitzgerald:"
"..It has been quite an effort to prevent Infidels from getting the wrong (that is to say, the right) impression of Islam, at least until such time as Muslims in the West currently singing the praises of “pluralism” no longer have need for Infidel good will and tolerance. To date, the twin techniques of “Taqiyya” and Tu-Quoque have been relied on. “Taqiyya” is the religiously-sanctioned doctrine, with its origins in Shi’a Islam but now practiced by non-Shi’a as well, of deliberate dissimulation about religious matters that may be undertaken to protect Islam, and the Believers. A related term, of broader application, is “kitman,” which is defined as “mental reservation.” An example of “Taqiyya” would be the insistence of a Muslim apologist that “of course” there is freedom of conscience in Islam, and then quoting that Qur’anic verse -- “There shall be no compulsion in religion.” But the impression given will be false, for there has been no mention of the Muslim doctrine of abrogation, or naskh, whereby such an early verse as that about “no compulsion in religion” has been cancelled out by later, far more intolerant and malevolent verses. In any case, history shows that within Islam there is, and always has been, “compulsion in religion” for Muslims, and for non-Muslims. The “compulsion” for Muslims comes from the treatment of apostasy as an act punishable by death. And though “dhimmis” are allowed to practice their religion, they do so under conditions of such burdens and restrictions that many, not as an act of conscience but rather as a response to inexorable Muslim pressure, have converted (or “reverted”) to Islam..."
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/004628.php
The real difficulty is that the sect that has come into the possession of the Hijaz is (1) radically fundamentalist, (2) militant about it, and (3) fantastically wealthy as a result of oil money and Islam's inherent requirement for its donation to the radicals in the form of charity, one of the Five Pillars. How we separate them from control of the greater body of Moslems is a bit difficult to imagine, at least at the moment.
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