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Day 7 After President Announces SS Proposal; President Clinton To Fellow Democrats: Get A Plan
Republican National Committee ^ | May 5, 2005

Posted on 05/05/2005 1:29:08 PM PDT by RWR8189

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1 posted on 05/05/2005 1:29:09 PM PDT by RWR8189
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To: RWR8189

If he wanted to help, he'd endorse the President's plan.


2 posted on 05/05/2005 1:32:03 PM PDT by Brilliant
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Seems kinda late coming to that realization. When his own Blue Ribbon Social Security Reform Commission proposed privatization 7 years ago, he had no alternative plan. Instead, he simply left the problem for Bush to solve.


3 posted on 05/05/2005 1:34:07 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: RWR8189

SS reform is as dead as the calls to bring back the draft.

There is a point were one needs to cut their losses in one area and continue on the battle in the many other areas that need to be fought right now.


4 posted on 05/05/2005 1:36:42 PM PDT by jmc1969
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Which is exactly the problem. The Democrats dont want President Bush to receive any credit for solving the problem. They know SS is in trouble , but they would rather wait for it to sink than help the President solve the problem. Right now a plan even they make would allow the Republicans to say the problem was solved during their watch and thats what they cant stand.

The President seem to me to be very fluid in what he wants, the Democrats could talk him into most anything that looked like a solution , but they are too busy demogoguing and for a fact they have no solution, nor even any good ideas.


5 posted on 05/05/2005 1:40:45 PM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: RWR8189

The do-nothing democrats do nothing once again.


6 posted on 05/05/2005 1:48:49 PM PDT by tkathy (Tyranny breeds terrorism. Freedom breeds peace.)
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To: Brilliant

Why is AMERICA so in the dark...why can not most understand "OWNERSHIP" as an idea to prosperity and pride along with more respect for everything! URG!

I just can not believe investing a couple thousand a year of my own money and weaning me away from the crutches of socialism is a bad thing......?


7 posted on 05/05/2005 1:50:49 PM PDT by Republic Rocker
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They believe the Dems' lies. It's been pounded into their brains by the liberal media for decades.

After the promise of social security is proven to be a lie, there will be a great awakening, and retribution. I would not be surprised if some of the politicians who are now telling the lies end up losing their heads--literally.


8 posted on 05/05/2005 1:55:25 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: jmc1969

No, it is not.

It is one of the 4 big issues that will define these times, and it must be addressed, and fought right now, all out, no holds barred.


9 posted on 05/05/2005 2:04:40 PM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: bill1952

The Dems don't need to get a plan the need to GET A CLUE!!!


10 posted on 05/05/2005 2:06:04 PM PDT by Scribbz (Gone fishin' leave message! Beeeeeep!)
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To: Brilliant

Don't know about a French Revolution redux, but have any idea what a congressional pension plan, health plan, travel junkets, fringes, and other emoluments & gratuities are worth? Not including the graft.
With the ethics shakedown going on in DC, a lot of reps and senators are 'cooking the books' as fast as they can. You can trace this back to the Federalist Papers (number escapes me, Madison, I think) that warns about the danger of allowing men to establish their own salaries and benefits.


11 posted on 05/05/2005 2:07:24 PM PDT by tumblindice (We will need to take from you for the common good ya da ya da ya da)
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To: Brilliant
If he wanted to help, he'd endorse the President's plan.

Absolutely right. Clinton, like most Democrats, doesn't actually want to solve problems. He just wants credit for wanting to solve them.

12 posted on 05/05/2005 2:15:21 PM PDT by American Quilter
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"Instead, he simply left the problem for Bush to solve."

*Social Security Reform
*Terrorism
*Open Borders
*The National Debt
*UN Scandals
*Saddam Hussein
*Healthcare/Medicare
*Nuclear weapons proliferation by nutcases (Iran, North Korea, etc.)

IMHO, Clinton left EVERY issue on his plate as he slunk out of office. He's USELESS. Why does anyone listen to him, no matter what their politics?


13 posted on 05/05/2005 2:15:26 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: bill1952

With the presidents approval on SS in the 30s and even into the 20s in some polls it doesn't have a chance, if his approval was in the 60s on SS it would be a very hard slog to get private accounts. But, it is impossible to do right now.

Polls matter only because both parties watch them and because of the current numbers it simply won't happen. The president has spoke to the nation twice in several months about SS and he has spent nearly all of his first 100 days stumping for SS reform and his approval on SS has dropped further and further. I remember a time when the president was polling in the 60s on SS, I will just be happy to see his numbers in the mid 40s again on the issue.

Basically, I am going to make this very clear cut, SS reform has zero chance.


14 posted on 05/05/2005 2:20:39 PM PDT by jmc1969
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To: RWR8189

I'm sure that Kerry has a plan...didn't he say he had a plan? ;-)


15 posted on 05/05/2005 2:30:17 PM PDT by pookie18 (Clinton Happens!)
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It does have a chance. The alternative is worse and the clock is ticking.

This issue is going to boomerang on the D's in a big way at the end of the year, the beginning of the next election cycle.

Clinton was warning the D's that if they don't come up with something credible, R's will at least get credit for having something.

Remember, SS is the EASIER of the two looming problems to fix. Medicare is far worse off economically at this point.

If he drops SS, if W says, "Fine, for the sake of argument, let's say you are right about the fact that for every one person retiring in the next twenty years, there will be only two people paying their benefits - that's not a problem that needs an immediate fix. Let's instead talk about reforming Medicare, and then you can tell me how we are OK there too."


16 posted on 05/05/2005 2:38:15 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs (The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.)
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Airlines broke, GM and Ford downgraded to junk bonds,energy shortage looming, GDP down, broke schools, broke Medicaid, broke Medicare, higher taxes, let the good times roll!!!!! Last time they confiscated all the gold and issued paper which is now backed by nothing. I do feel sorry for those who have neglected history and how quickly we can fall. It would appear that we are about in the same position as the Soviet Union right before the wall came tumbling down. It might be hard to find any sane person that wants to be president for the next election.
17 posted on 05/05/2005 3:27:33 PM PDT by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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That's why Hillary is going to run. She's insane.


18 posted on 05/05/2005 3:31:56 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: tumblindice

At some point, the Constitution is going to be amended by the people, and all that is going to be vitiated. The pols will get what they deserve.


19 posted on 05/05/2005 3:33:37 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: jmc1969

Approval polls be damned.

He isn't going to quit, and if the Senate Repubs want to ride with him through 06 they will come in line.

If not, they can lose and good riddance.

Basically, I am going to make this very clear cut:
Never quit on SS.


20 posted on 05/05/2005 5:19:59 PM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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