[Allosaurs_r_us]

It's clear to see from your fallacious and emotionally based arguments

 

What? Huh? Emotionally based? Fallacious? What exactly is false about my arguments? I don't believe I quoted any facts, therefore how can any of it be false? It is merely a philosophy. While philosophy can be based on facts, it in itself is not a fact, therefore could not be fallacious. While you seem to be able to use big words, the only one you impress is likely yourself.

 

I believe I can explain my philosophies best with a little piece another FReeper once sent me, when I believe we ran into another one of you typical "set on ours hands and do nothing" doves.

 

There are two kinds of people in this world. The sheep and the sheep dogs.

 

The sheep for the most part go thru life grazing in the pasture of life. Never getting involved even in the survival of the flock. If a wolf shows up, it is the survival of the fastest and the fittest. Even when one of their own is in danger they will look the other way. Never even raising the alarm to their fellow sheep. After all, if it does not effect their personal lives, why should they become involved?

 

Sheep dogs on the other hand, protect the sheep. They are ever vigilant, alert to any danger to the flock. They are more than willing to take on any enemy of the flock and will gladly lay their lives on the line to protect it. Even if it results in the loss of their own lives.

 

I prefer to be a protector of the sheep. It is quite apparent, you sir, are just part of the flock. So when the fascists come knocking on your door, look around and try to find the sheep dog that is surely lurking somewhere near by, to protect you and yours from the very real dangers that exist in today's world. Not only on our soil but throughout the globe.

 

Your statement that you could care less one way or the other, puts you into a group of people who by their own admission, care nothing for his fellow man. That, in my opinion, is cowardly. If we all were to take that philosophy what shape would you expect this world to be in? I guarantee you, terrorists don't share your attitude of complacency. But what the hey, it was only 3,000 of your fellow citizens that died on 9/11. There's plenty more where they came from, right?

 

How dare our government get involved in affairs that likely will result in decreasing threats, not only to America but also to others who do not have the means to protect themselves.

 

[billbears]

Your statement that you could care less one way or the other, puts you into a group of people who by their own admission, care nothing for his fellow man. That, in my opinion, is cowardly.

Sheep dogs and sheep. Wow, and wolves too. Sit down for a second there Aesop. This nation of states was not founded to be a sheep or a sheep dog but rather steer its own course.

Unfortunately for this nation of states in 1917 a worthless President got involved in affairs that were none of our business. Since then each President has taken it one step further down the path of condoning unjust wars to the point that we are now involved in pre-emptive police actions against nation states that did not represent a direct threat to the borders of this nation of states

I prefer to be a protector of the sheep. It is quite apparent, you sir, are just part of the flock. So when the fascists come knocking on your door, look around and try to find the sheep dog that is surely lurking somewhere near by...

LOL, I'm a sheep am I? Because I refuse to support pre-emptive police actions. Don't worry, anybody comes knocking at my door, I'm well protected. So I don't need a sheep dog's help to protect me and mine from any of your imagined terrorist threats. Of course I find the last part of your statement to be interesting

...to protect you and yours from the very real dangers that exist in today's world. Not only on our soil but throughout the globe

compared to this statement

She well knows that by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of extrication, in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy, and ambition, which assume the colors and usurp the standard of freedom. The fundamental maxims of her policy would insensibly change from liberty to force....She might become the dictatress of the world. She would be no longer the ruler of her own spirit....

or this one

Why forego the advantages of so peculiar a situation? Why quit our own to stand upon foreign ground? Why, by interweaving our destiny with that of any part of Europe, entangle our peace and prosperity in the toils of European ambition, rivalship, interest, humor or caprice?

Seems that men who led this nation of states in the past disagree with you as well....guess they were cowards too huh?

How dare our government get involved in affairs that likely will result in decreasing threats, not only to America but also to others who do not have the means to protect themselves.

Except of course that you can't find much of an argument for pre-emptive strikes or nation building before the latter half of the 20th century. Amazing this nation of states was able to survive all this time without relying on your 'wise' advice isn't it?