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To: MeanWestTexan
I also happen to believe that evolution and Genesis will square just fine, once all the details are worked out.

And I agree with you on that: religion and science are not enemies but completely different spheres of understanding.

My point is that the sort of folks who despise religion seem to cling to the theory of evolution with a very fervent faith. I can't help but notice that some of the same folks bolstering evolution by mocking Christianity on this thread are the same folks who rail against us Christian barbarians when we pass laws banning "gay marriage." Odd coincidence!

174 posted on 05/04/2005 3:21:23 PM PDT by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: FormerLib

Yet again, someone from the creato side of the argument drags a homosexuality non sequitur into crevo debates. Bizarre how often this happens. Are you guys obsessed?


178 posted on 05/04/2005 3:24:43 PM PDT by Thatcherite (Conservative and Biblical Literalist are not synonymous)
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To: FormerLib

You know, I think it is a problem with smart people.

While raised Jewish, I felt very called to Christianity from a very early age.

But it seemed every Bible-believing Christian I met was a dour, generally closed-minded, legalistic, unfunny, twit. Often hypocrits, too. Christians like the guy posted above who makes the false offer about evolution --- by falsely twisting what evolution is. The kind of people who got mad at Laura Bush's comedy bit.

I call them Christian pharasees, who think man was made for the Law, not the other way around.

It was not until the Army that I found smart, Bible-believing guys that pointed out that Jesus drank wine and educated me on the fact that so much of the "twittedness" of Christiandom is man-added rules.

It made all the difference.

This is an obscure part of the Bible. It is open to interpretation.

And God speaks unclearly --- on purpose, I suppose, so it only becomes clear when we need to know what He meant. For example, at the end of John (on the shore, right after Jesus reinstated Pete), there is a statement by Jesus that is most easily read as "John will live forever."

Well, it didn't mean that. And John made clear that Jesus did not mean that. But people still interpreted it that way.

I think that difficult-to-read statement was a reminder to keep one's mind open when reading the scriptures to what is going on around you. To again use the example of the 2,000 years ago Pharasee --- they were so confident in their interpretation of the scriptures that they missed what was going on right in front of them.

That is a dangerous mistake. And the close-minded anger at the mere topic of evolution by so many Creationist is very similar.


188 posted on 05/04/2005 3:37:06 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan
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To: FormerLib
Odd coincidence!

Nineteen.

189 posted on 05/04/2005 3:41:31 PM PDT by jennyp (WHAT I'M READING: The Pentagon's New Map by Barnett)
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To: FormerLib
My point is that the sort of folks who despise religion seem to cling to the theory of evolution with a very fervent faith.

By my definition "faith" is something accepted with no genuine evidence. As in "I accept on faith that the guy wasn't a murderer, because he told me he wasn't".

That's completly counter to evolution which has mountains of evidence. The new link pointed out to me today is merely one a great many. Yet, as the OJ Jury refused to consider DNA evidence, many creationists refuse to take that link as "evidence" for evolution and declare it "faith" instead.

I can't help but notice that some of the same folks bolstering evolution by mocking Christianity on this thread are the same folks who rail against us Christian barbarians when we pass laws banning "gay marriage." Odd coincidence!

I really haven't seen anyone railing against laws banning "gay marriage" around FR. But maybe I just don't frequent posts on the subject. I think gay marriage is damaging to civilization because like creatures evolve, I think cultures evolve as well. And our culture has demonstrated its success by being generally sexually straight and monogamous. I think that homosexuality is a "step backwards" in the evolution of civilization.

As for railing at Christians, It's hard for me as a Christian to not get mad at fellow Christians who are so obviously wrong about evolution. It makes me look stupid if I claim to be a Christian among scientifically literate non-Christians. Creationism is damaging to Christianity, because such non-Christians are never likely to take anything Christians say seriously and perhaps come to know God as a result.

231 posted on 05/04/2005 4:48:25 PM PDT by narby
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