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To: Alamo-Girl; Doctor Stochastic; cornelis; Ronzo; 2ndreconmarine; PatrickHenry
At bottom, I suspect entropy per se (whether physical or Shannon) is something of a side issue to both of us - we are much more interested in the increase/decrease of it, the causation or process.

The "state of the system" is always changing. I think that what you and I seek is the unifying principle that integrates change in the dynamic, unified system that we call the Universe. Our suspicion is that this principle may be geometric, or logical (thus epistemological) at its base. It may be carried/mediated by fields within and beyond 4D space-time. We suppose there are yet other dimensions of the Universe that mankind is only now becoming accustomed to think about (as evidenced by string theory in all its forms): a 5th "timelike" dimension, at the very least, which accommodates the observations that have been made about non-local (temporally and spatially) causation, and superposition (simultaneity of events in 4D space and time that cannot be accounted for within the ordinary measurement systems/categories of 4D space-time).

cornelis suggested in an earlier post that my goal may be the eventual validation of a theory of a "world soul." Good grief! Is the Logos -- the fundamental logic or geometry that laid (and lays) down the foundation of All that exists -- God's spoken Word of the Beginning (i.e., the constituting event of the "Big Bang"), Who "was God and Who was with God" -- a "world soul?" This is not my understanding at all. And I strongly doubt it is yours either, Alamo-Girl.

In short, I am no pantheist. There is no homogeneous "world soul." All souls are unique. They may be joined to Christ, and thus become members of a wider community of souls. But since God created all souls free, they may not in principle be "commandeered" to serve in any community or collective.

Spent the day today down on Cape Cod. A furious Northeaster has been blowing down there the past two days. Today, we clocked wind gusts at +70 mph. Plus it rained, heavily (several inches, and still raining). The breakers on the beach are unbelievable -- big-time surging tides. Very unseasonable meteorological activity for this time of year, in these parts. Expected to last through Tuesday....

The joys of living in New England! :^)

Well them be my thoughts of the evening. Happy Mother's Day to all Mothers!

Good night, dear Alamo-Girl, and to All!

184 posted on 05/08/2005 9:14:05 PM PDT by betty boop (If everyone is thinking alike, then no one is thinking. -- Gen. George S. Patton)
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To: betty boop

cornelis suggested in an earlier post that my goal may be the eventual validation of a theory of a "world soul."


Hey, not so fast, before you go nighty-night. I merely asked. You had some affection for ToE. So now it becomes is ToE = Logos?


185 posted on 05/08/2005 9:17:58 PM PDT by cornelis
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To: betty boop
Thank you so much for your engaging post!

I'm sorry to hear of all the nasty weather you are having. We got a call in the middle of the night from my daughter's renters deep in the Hill Country of Texas. The house had been hit by a tornado but noone was hurt and the damage was mostly to the roof. Praise God!!!

I think that what you and I seek is the unifying principle that integrates change in the dynamic, unified system that we call the Universe.

Indeed. A single measurement doesn't satisfy.

And I certainly agree with you in not equating Logos with a world soul. That would be equating God with a presumed property of one of His various creations (if there were such a thing as a world soul).

When we speak of a universal vacuum field, the fecundity principle, the metaxy, the will to live, the evolution of one and when we quote passages from Romans 8 such as "For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now." - it might be leaving correspondents with the impression that we are promoting the idea of a 'collective consciousness'. We are indeed looking at the whole (both space/time and "all that there is") - but we are not personifying it.

And truly I suspect there are many (particularly in the Eastern religions) who do not know the Logos, Jesus Christ, and have arrived at the conclusion of 'collective consciousness' by observing many of the nonphysicals which also interest us. If one didn't know about Jesus, that is a rational theory. But it is not the Truth - it is incomplete, much like we assert that the theory of evolution is incomplete.

But if a person is open to the concept of a 'collective consciousness' than we at least have a language to help expand the discussion. Ditto for "theories of everything". A first step is having a cosmology, even a bizarre one. If the correspondent has thought about either collective consciousness, cosmology or theories of everything, we have a language to work from.

As they say, Rome was not built in a day ...

186 posted on 05/08/2005 10:25:33 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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