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To: Celtjew Libertarian
In that light, Laura Bush's off-color jokes, in a forum intended for adults, were giving a metaphorical finger to the terrorists. She was, indeed, standing up for one of the main reasons that I voted for President Bush

That, at least, is an argument. Here's why I don't buy it: Libertarians, for the reasons you cite, are split between hemp-bag Democrats and anti-regulation Republicans. I don't think they elected George Bush. It was a Pew study, I believe, that indicated people of serious faith are going Republican in big numbers, because they're sick of the stained-dress "faith" of people like Bill Clinton. I do believe "values voters" re-elected George Bush on the second go around, if not the first. On the first amendment issues, the framers were part of a generation that ripped down houses of ill fame, and saw that as no violation of the people's right to engage in political speech. Concentration camps are not opened up and liberated because there's lots of low priced street pornography on the corner. In fact, you could make the opposite argument. Berlin was one of the most decadent cities in Europe before its fall to fascists. When the first family sees the nation as the sort of trailer trash cattle that have normalized Chippendales, we are in deep trouble.
753 posted on 05/04/2005 11:58:10 AM PDT by farmer18th ("The fool says in his heart there is no God.")
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To: farmer18th

First off, between the libertarians and the values voters there were a whole lot of other voters. Values voters were, from what I can tell, about 35-40% of Bush's support. Significant, sure, but not a majority.

The framers of the Constitution were a pretty wide range. Madison, I believe, had got in trouble for writing bawdy verse in college and still had a liking for it. In any case, campaign songs of those days -- political speech -- could get real raunchy. Jefferson and Sally Hemming for example.

As for WW2, I don't know if porn had an effect one way or another. But Airplane nose art sure had a positive effect on U.S. morale -- and a lot of it involved nudity, if not out-and-out porn.


783 posted on 05/04/2005 12:16:47 PM PDT by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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