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Peach: Let me explain why the extreme right feels the way they do.

I listen to a lot of talk radio, christian talk radio. With rare exception, the party and probably to a point Mr. Rove marketed the President as a Christian man divinely guided by God and placed in the job by God himself. They put the President and the First Lady on a religious pedestal. They were people who had to look modeate, but they really believed as the more strident evangelicals. The christian right bought it, hook, line and sinker. Almost to a man, even the most ardent pro lifers abandoned one of their own (the constitution party candidate) for Mr. Bush. Not only was the election expected to be close, as it was, but I even heard some very ardent consitution party supporters admit that the President was the right Christian man who wouldn't disappoint them, becasue being a lame duck, he didn't have to worry about re-election again. Get him elected, and he would pay the Christians back for their support by advancing their agenda.

The President has had some setbacks recently. And the Schiavo incident further hurt him in the eyes of the pro life right when he didn't personally swoop in and rescue here or force Jeb to do it. His support for Delay was late and for a while luke warm. All this has caused the RR to feel pushed aside.

Let's face it. The jokes were a tad blue at best if one is honest about it. Especially the horse joke. But to the RR it was just another slap in the face.

Again, a big part of this is the sales job the election team sold to the RR. The RR is now having buyer's remorse.

"The RR is now having buyer's remorse."

Kerry appreciates your remorse.

I'll have to take time to re-read what you wrote, joesbuck and I appreciate the tone in which it was written. For now, Mr. Peach has reminded me we need to make a phone call.

It is a nice theory, but where is the proof? I don't see the "Christian Right" in anger at the First Lady. As I stated in another posts where are the ..

Pope
Cardinals
Priests
Ministers
Orthodox Jews

Where is Dobson? Where are the Grahams? They haven't come out to denounce the First Lady.

The Christian Community is not angry, they aren't repulsed. There is nothing to support that claim. All you have are a few people on their own trying to stir dissent that just isn't there attempting to give the vast Majority a bad name.

As for the horse joke, I am being honest when I state there was nothing depraved. People have reduced it to a meaning it did not have. That is their own fault, not hers.

The President has had some setbacks recently. And the Schiavo incident further hurt him in the eyes of the pro life right when he didn't personally swoop in and rescue here or force Jeb to do it. His support for Delay was late and for a while luke warm. All this has caused the RR to feel pushed aside.

So that's what it's really all about is it? All the Terri fanatics who screamed and cried and raged for udderly ridiculous and unenforceable actions by the US government (such as the preposterous subpeona) now want to throw your weight around by attacking the first lady for her jokes at a ~roast~.

I thought it sounded a little like spoiled child behavior. I think it's taught many of us that we need to be very very careful to never give you too much power ;~D

Oh - and the issue at hand? The dinner was nearly five nights ago now.

With rare exception, the party and probably to a point Mr. Rove marketed the President as a Christian man divinely guided by God and placed in the job by God himself. They put the President and the First Lady on a religious pedestal.

Utter rubbish.

Almost to a man, even the most ardent pro lifers abandoned one of their own (the constitution party candidate) for Mr. Bush.

ROFLMAO; sure. The Constitution Party that couldn't even agree on which ROOM to meet in was going to win this election?

Not only was the election expected to be close, as it was, but I even heard some very ardent consitution party supporters admit that the President was the right Christian man who wouldn't disappoint them, becasue being a lame duck, he didn't have to worry about re-election again. Get him elected, and he would pay the Christians back for their support by advancing their agenda.

And this is your first mistake: believing what the right wingers tell you: for your information, and just so I'll know you know, Karl Rove didn't even COUNT on the religious right vote in 2004 because YOU ALL STAYED HOME IN A SNIT in 2000. The GOP of tired of being blackmailed by you all!

Almost to a man, even the most ardent pro lifers abandoned one of their own (the constitution party candidate) for Mr. Bush.

There is no small amount of irony that people who claim to belong to a "constitution" party were the first ones in line demanding that Jeb and/or George should set it aside and act outside their authority.