Judge Okays Abortion For Girl, 13

St. Petersburg Times ^ | 5/3/05 | Associated Press

[stands2reason]

Some of you cannot even admit that her having a child is not a good thing.

Who refuses to admit it?

I'll say it! It's horrible that this girl ended up the way she did.

But guess what. Life ain't fair.

[ran15]

There is also the chance that she would be a great mother. A lot of children in wealthy two parent homes, end up in perma daycare. I think the kids would rather spend time with the mother then having lots of material possessions.

[stands2reason]

So if I hang around with you I'll soon realise it's okay to kill the innocent?

Funny.

I killed the only child I would ever have because I thought it was okay. No biggie. He would have had it rough, anyway. Maybe. Probably. Or he might have turned out as wonderful as my stepdaughter, who graduated a year early from high school and is on the dean's list in college, even though she was raised by her crazy mother who would take her shoplifting and spend her support money on drugs and alcohol.

We'll never know.

But at least I never had to set foot in a juvie court - hey, now there's a plus-side!

[Captain Peter Blood]

You two are perfect examples of emotional thinking on the abortion issue.
I made a reference to "Adoption Hell" because of all of the stories I have read of people trying to adopt in this country and not being able to do so. You have a bureaucracy that wants people to jump through impossible hoops to get a child and yet we have immature idiots like Brittaney Spears pregnant with nary a clue.
I have yet to see a story a that tells all of the facts on this 13 year old in Florida and how she got pregnant. Was statutory rape involved, etc.?
Are you going to make a 13 year old child have this baby under those circumstances?
I have watched and observed a lot of people like you two who talk a good game but that is all.
Now what if you had a 13 year old daughter and she was pregnant, what would you do, honestly do? Make her have this child and keep it or put it up for adoption?
Or would you do whatever it took to make it right even if it was an abortion and you drive her to another state to have it and then made a vow never to tell anyone it happened. Chances are the latter and you know it.
I really hate the Hypocrisy and Mendacity associated with the debate on Abortion and it is almost impossible to have a rational debate because of way too much emotion in it.
Whether you like it or not there are acceptable situations for abortions.
I personally do like to see to abortions used for birth control when we live a country with endless choices in that area, but do I want to to see a 13 year old girl having a baby? No I don't and if an abortion is the way out then I have to think that may be the way to go even though I may not like it.

[MitchellC]

Alvarez held up the abortion until a psychological evaluation was completed, but he ruled Monday that the teen would not be physically or emotionally harmed by the abortion.

How could the judge or any psychologist possibly know that?

Unless this girl buries any semblence of conscience, she'll be having nightmares over this down the road.

[floriduh voter]

Yes, I am familiar with the term for the state of the DCF dept. I think they are going to outsource it to a private company. Thus, maybe they will be monitoring children and families from India. It may be an improvement.

And Crist wants to be Governor and former Sheriff Rice wants to become Fla's AG. If those bozos on the bus get those jobs, IT WILL BE EVEN WORSE THAN IT IS NOW. It will be a Pinellas Coup and they are both doodleheads. SAY NO TO CHARLIE CRIST, SORRY CHARLIE AND SAY NO TO EVERETT RICE WHO VOTED "NO" ON TERRI. Crist refused to get involved but he's helped other disabled Floridians. THE FIX WAS IN.

[pa mom]

What baby do I want killed. I never said this girl should have an abortion. I just said the alternative stinks, too.

[stands2reason]

I can't think of a good reason to kill a baby. Is that argument too emotional for you?

[torchthemummy]

"Why don't you just go sit through a few hundred juvenile court hearings like I have and see what's going on with all of these parents and kids. You'll change your tune."

The irony is that this 13yo girl is probably a future Democrat. A future Democrat that is killing her baby who would have likely ended up a Democrat (the "choice" is still to be determined.) Current Democrats kill future Democrats all the time.

[pa mom]

I know it's difficult to admit that sometimes having a baby is not a good thing. Trust me, I sympathize with the confusion and pain that brings. But this girl's life will not be improved by having this child. She is a child herself. This does not by any means imply that I support the abortion either. It just means grey exists. Sometimes, not often, but it does.

[stands2reason]

Can you think of a good reason to kill an infant already born?

[Aliska]

Current Democrats kill future Democrats all the time.

I'm sure some Republicans kill their babies, too. The Democrats don't have to worry. Time is still on their side, and we are importing more future Democrats.

[stands2reason]

I was referring to your treatment on previous thread that you recounted.

[pa mom]

You know, I think there are people surfing abortion threads looking to swoop down on anyone who doesn't spout the right words. When, in any post, did I advocate this abortion?

I just recognize that sometimes an unplanned pregnancy is bad. It's bad if the child is aborted and it's bad if the child is raised by an incompetant (at best) mother. Certainly life is better, but sometimes the child that is born is going to live a life of pain, poverty or worse. Maybe it makes the child a stronger person, maybe the child deals drugs and is killed on the street at 17.

If we really want to be pro-life, we have to look beyond birth. That does not mean advocating abortion, but it means working on the conditions that the child will live, too.

[stands2reason]

Or would you do whatever it took to make it right even if it was an abortion and you drive her to another state to have it and then made a vow never to tell anyone it happened. Chances are the latter and you know it.

Wrong. I'm sorry. but there's no way an abortion will make anything "right."

[pa mom]

Huh?

[stands2reason]

You made the point that you were attacked because you weren't 100% pro-life and then warned those who were advocating abortion to be careful.

[pa mom]

Actually girls are maturing at about 11 or 12 these days. 9 or 10 is not abnormal. 13 is old.

Scary, huh?

The risks to the child and mother do of course increase at such a young age. Prematurity is a risk and drug use is indicated in some of the articles.

Tragic.

[pa mom]

Actually, that there are fewer babies to adopt today is more likely a result of the decreased stigma in single motherhood. Many pregnant girls years ago would be "forced" by social pressure to adopt out the baby. Now they can keep it and no one bats an eye. Except me, of course, but I'm a conservative, what do you want?

[stands2reason]

You know, I think there are people surfing abortion threads looking to swoop down on anyone who doesn't spout the right words.

I hope you are not accusing me of trolling.