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To: BJungNan

Again I challenge you to provide one creadible reference.

Again I say this is utter nonsense.

I have been an 'AIDS' researcher for twenty years and so can speak with a degree of knowledge.

CAN I GET AIDS FROM KISSING?

 

No. Actually, AIDS is hard to catch. In order to pick up the virus from someone, you have to have their BLOOD, SEMEN or VAGINAL FLUID come in contact with your BLOOD. Unless you’re doing some pretty weird kissing, this isn’t going to happen. So kissing is safe.

http://www.secondchanceinc.com/AIDSpamphlet.html

You cannot get HIV or AIDS from kissing

http://www.bchealthguide.org/healthfiles/hfile08m.pdf


You cannot get HIV or AIDS from kissing

http://www.bchealthguide.org/healthfiles/hfile08m.stm

You cannot get AIDS from kissing

http://www.friscogirls.com/info/aids.htm

Holmberg said none of the country's more than 500,000 reported AIDS cases have been attributed to exposure to saliva, which usually inhibits HIV's ability to infect. In this case, blood in the saliva apparently carried the AIDS virus.

"We have not observed any instances of HIV transmission through regular kissing," Holmberg said.


Reuters NewMedia, Inc. - Thursday July 10 5:48 PM EDT


There has only ever been one suspected case and that remain completely unproven. One suspected (but completely unproven) case in the entire World in twenty one years is hardly proof.


67 posted on 05/07/2005 9:45:49 PM PDT by David Lane
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To: David Lane

The one suspected case you are talking about is like the Super Virus scare of a few weeks ago.

After the story made World headlines it soon turned out to be without foundation.

Just another attempt to scare the public and profit from it.


UNITED STATES:
"AIDS Alert Draws Criticism"
Newsday (02.13.05)::Kathleen Kerr

On Saturday, New York health officials were criticized as having acted too hastily in alerting the public that an antiretroviral-naive city resident recently contracted HIV resistant to three ARV drug classes and quickly progressed to AIDS.

Just one case "was not enough to warrant a public health alert," said Dr. Robert Gallo, a leading virologist at University of Maryland. "It's irresponsible and outrageous. We've already heard past claims about superviruses that all turn out to be nonsense. From the science, I would say the probability is very high that you won't see this virus again," he said. Gallo noted that other HIV patients have quickly developed AIDS before responding to treatment and said that officials should have waited to see if a cluster of cases similar to the man's developed.

Asked whether the city overreacted, Mayor Michael Bloomberg said: "We have first and foremost a responsibility to educate the public as to what they can do to save their lives."

Gallo's remarks are "a fundamental misunderstanding of the role of public health," said Dr. Thomas Frieden, commissioner of New York's health department. "This has occurred in a man who was using crystal [methamphetamine] and probably got it from somebody he had sex with." Since the infected man had unprotected sex with numerous partners, Frieden said the city could not wait to see if a cluster emerged.


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The man behind the NY Super virus scare

Ho, meanwhile, was coming under heavy criticism."When I first heard this, I said, Holy shit‹there is no evidence, says Dr. Robert Gallo, an eminent virologist. "Clearly, conclusively, scientifically, it was inappropriate to make that statement."

Gallo and other leading figures in the field including Dr. Tony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases believe the new case report, while unfortunate for the patient, is likely a statistically predictable outlier.

Unfortunately, according to data generated by Ho's institute, drug-resistant HIV is now commonplace: Nearly 30 percent of newly diagnosed HIV cases are resistant to at least one AIDS drug, and 11 percent are resistant to drugs in two or more drug classes.

In much of the criticism, there was an undercurrent of resentment toward Ho. Many saw the announcement as grandstanding. Michael Petrelis, an AIDS activist and blogger from San Francisco, fanned the flames with revelations about Ho's links to Frieden (who sits on the Aaron Diamond Board of Directors) and the San Francisco laboratory that does the resistance testing, ViroLogic (as a scientific adviser, he receives a stipend and stock options).


68 posted on 05/07/2005 10:00:21 PM PDT by David Lane
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To: David Lane
You've put up a lot of information but did you call the CDC? Okay, let's cut to the chase. Answer these questions.

1). Is an exchange of blood a transmission route for HIV?

2). If blood is contained in the saliva of an HIV infected person, is the exchange of that saliva and that blood through kissing a transmission route?

If you say no, then you are in disagreement with everyone at the CDC I have talked to. Who am I supposed to believe?

Again, did you call the CDC? I gave you the number. It would take you all of 1 minute to get the answer from them, a whole lot less time that it took for you to post the links to the articles you put up.

I'll be happy to be proved wrong. I'm not trying to pass along false information here. But you apparently will not even make a simple 1 minute phone call in support of your position.

70 posted on 05/08/2005 12:16:28 AM PDT by BJungNan (Check out http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: David Lane
This is directly from one of the articles you cited.

No. Actually, AIDS is hard to catch. In order to pick up the virus from someone, you have to have their BLOOD, SEMEN or VAGINAL FLUID come in contact with your BLOOD. Unless you’re doing some pretty weird kissing, this isn’t going to happen. So kissing is safe.

What does this say? It says that yes you can get AIDS from kissing if there is an exchange of blood. The article calls it "weird" kissing without going into what that might be, but it still confirms that AIDS can be spread by kissing.

71 posted on 05/08/2005 12:20:24 AM PDT by BJungNan (Check out http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: David Lane

The second article you put up directly contridicts the information from the CDC. Who is correct?


72 posted on 05/08/2005 12:22:32 AM PDT by BJungNan (Check out http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: David Lane
The third article you post - which is the same source as the second - only says this.

You cannot get HIV or AIDS from kissing. Deep kissing or "French kissing" is safe.

Again, in direct contradiction to what the CDC says.

73 posted on 05/08/2005 12:23:54 AM PDT by BJungNan (Check out http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: David Lane
The last article you put up really makes my case. It says,

"If you have cuts inside your mouth, DO NOT have oral sex with anyone."

The emphasis is in the original citation, I did not capitalize "DO NOT" for emphasis, your source did.

Do you suppose that if someone has cuts in their mouth that not only should they not have oral sex but that they should also not kiss?

More to the point, you are being dangerous with the information you are posting. Please, you need to talk to the CDC before you go about spreading any more misinformation. What you are telling people could likely result in their death sentence. You are flat out wrong.

74 posted on 05/08/2005 12:30:18 AM PDT by BJungNan (Check out http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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