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To: SoothingDave; Hermann the Cherusker; FreepinforTerri; doc30

I think all this debate is missing the political point. There are different beliefs on our side. If we eat each other up we will achieve nothing.

I guarantee we will get no further restrictions on abortion, and indeed, will push non-involved folks futher away from us, with attitudes like some posted here. I know you seriously disagree with bc pills. But the vast majority of people don't.

I'd rather see all of us who want restrictions on abortion work together where there is common ground, and I believe there is more common than is different.

I also hope we all don't forget the lives of the children after they are born. Please be active in your community, teach children to read, show young women that they have a future so they don't chose to bring children into the world before they are ready to raise them. Give the young men a future so they can become stable husbands and fathers. Give all our young people a future so drugs won't destroy their lives.

There are many ways we can witness for Christ. Pro-life is one. But we need to care for life at all its stages.


533 posted on 05/06/2005 7:01:34 AM PDT by pa mom
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To: pa mom

Birth control pills ARE abortions. You can't ignore this and have a respectable and morally consistent argument.

By the way, I am a social worker. I do assist people after they are born. But let me make it clear that because I oppose someone killing a child does not mean that I assume responsibility for that child. This is a common pro-abortion argument that because we don't agree with child murder, that we should be giving women that don't abort luxuries that none of us can afford ourselves. That's ridiculous.


534 posted on 05/06/2005 7:06:15 AM PDT by FreepinforTerri (Send Attorney George J. Felos Rebukes via Email. His email is proofg@aol.com)
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To: pa mom
I think all this debate is missing the political point. There are different beliefs on our side. If we eat each other up we will achieve nothing.

Again, asking someone to explain what their positions are and why they hold those positions is not "Eating each other up."

Secondly, this isn't a political discussion. I would assume most of us here are on board for whatever reductions in abortion "rights" we can get. Some of us have a consistent philosophy of protecting life from conception on. We think it is the only consistently moral view.

Accusing us of being like the Taliban or of not caring for born children or a multitude of other distractions does nothing to allow us to understand your position.

I try not to ascribe motives to others, but you offer no help. How can one acknowledge that birth control can cause early abortions and be OK with this? What distinguishes the life in the first hours or days from the one you would protect from abortion a week or two later?

SD

549 posted on 05/06/2005 7:28:23 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: pa mom
I also hope we all don't forget the lives of the children after they are born. Please be active in your community, teach children to read, show young women that they have a future so they don't chose to bring children into the world before they are ready to raise them. Give the young men a future so they can become stable husbands and fathers...There are many ways we can witness for Christ. Pro-life is one. But we need to care for life at all its stages

This [non]argument so often insinuated by those who are "pro-choice" --namely that "pro-lifers" don't care about babies after they're born-- is a straw man. And false.

I've never seen any people more active in their communities than pro-life people.

I see pro-lifers volunteering their time and money for homes for unwed mothers, post-birth, trying to help them get their lives in order.

I see them volunteering for athletic youth leagues and church activities for teens, to try to help fatherless kids have a good role model.

I see them making financial sacrifices so that one parent can stay home to raise their own children properly; and oftentimes homeschooling them so they are kept away from the cesspool many of our public schools have become.

It's also true that sometimes pro-lifers understand that make a better world, we have to first concentrate our energies in our own homes. It makes no sense to be like Dickens's Mrs. Jellyby -- who devoted so much of her considerable energy to saving the poor starving children of Africa, while her own children at home in England suffered from neglect.

So yes, there ARE "many ways we can witness for Christ." And pro-lifers do all of them.

627 posted on 05/06/2005 10:58:08 AM PDT by shhrubbery! (The 'right to choose' = The right to choose death --for somebody else.)
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