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To: narby
Reading that rant, and then comparing it to the link of Ichneumon's in post 393, it's just amazing that you can say that stuff with a straight face.

Everything in Ich's doc dumps presupposes that the evolutionary premise is proven... because, it's... proven,...and then takes this circular reasoning to a level of con-artistry rarely seen.

Evolution's frauds and flaws are there for any rationally thinking person to appreciate. Apparently, you just don't happen to be one of them.

Evolution has such hard core DNA evidence, that to disbelieve it is ... just unbelievable.

OK. Prove it. Your own words. Are you speaking from your own research, or are you intending to quote someone else's vain speculations in the liberal MSM?

Show us what you know for a change. Show us you can put two cogent thoughts together that make any scientific sense. Forget the Ichy doc dump routine -- he just uses that for a smoke screen to hide behind and to gloss over what he doesn't know himself.

I really think that some "creationists" are merely atheist trolls attempting to embarrass Christians by making them look stupid.

If that is what you "really think," one may reasonably conclude that your powers of cogent reasoning about any topic -- let alone a topic of science -- must be truly impoverished.

You just go ahead and keep thinking that. Anything you say from this point forward will be able to be appreciated from the readers' now privileged insight as to how you "really think" -- or perhaps more accurately stated, can't think.

579 posted on 05/05/2005 12:19:07 PM PDT by Agamemnon
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To: Agamemnon
    Retroviruses and Evolution for dummies, by a dummy.
  1. Viruses insert their genome into a cell's DNA (at a random place), forcing them to make copies of the virus.
  2. If the virus genome is damaged, or placed wrong, it might not function.
  3. Sometimes this can happens to sperm or egg cells (germ line cell).
  4. Offspring can inherit the viral insertion.
  5. Given that the spread of such viral insertions are rare¹, and that it can be inserted in literally billions of places in the DNA, a match in DNA sequence and placing would make a convincing evidence of decent.
  6. A genetic trait can, even if it is neutral, spread to a whole population (neutral drift).
  7. IF the TOE is accurate, we might find viral insertions that are common to multiple related species.
¹ While cells are regulary attacked by viruses the probability of a insertion gone wrong, be in a germ line cell that actually produces a offspring and being spread through a population, is very low.


Lo and behold, we already have multiple matching lines of retroviruses found in the evolutionary tree! So, at some point in the chain of events described above, there's obviously something you disagree with. It would be really informative to know where that point is. Personally I can't really understand how not to be convinced by such evidence, but at the same time I understand that some people (at least think they) already know the TRUTH®, and will not be convinced whatever the evidence.

588 posted on 05/05/2005 3:48:46 PM PDT by anguish (while science catches up.... mysticism!)
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