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ISM Manufacturing Index Expands for 23rd Consecutive Month
Institute for Supply Management ^ | May 2, 2005 | none

Posted on 05/02/2005 9:34:06 AM PDT by 1rudeboy

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To: oceanview

Look, ISM reports that the furniture sector is expanding. ISM goes by SIC classifications . . . for all we know the sector includes the manufacturing of lighting. Making your fixation on the North Carolina furniture industry, well, odd.


21 posted on 05/02/2005 11:02:50 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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DO NOT CONFUSE THIS NATIONAL REPORT with the various regional purchasing reports released across the country. The national report's information reflects the entire United States, while the regional reports cover only their local vicinity. Also, the information in the regional reports is not used in calculating the results of the national report. The information compiled in this report is for the month of April 2005.

22 posted on 05/02/2005 11:04:36 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

check out where most of the lighting at Home Depot and Lowes are made.


23 posted on 05/02/2005 11:11:26 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: oceanview
Thanks. It's nice to occasionally post facts from outside sources, instead of what you heard. Isn't it?

From your article:The North Carolina economy, like the national economy, is going through structural change in which jobs in such key industries as textile and furniture manufacturing that required lots of labor are being shipped to countries where pay is low.

Now, do you want me to explain how manufacturing output and manufacturing employment are two different things?

24 posted on 05/02/2005 11:18:57 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (If you agree with Karl Marx, the AFL-CIO and E.P.I. please stop calling yourself a conservative!!)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

well, if robots were making the furniture in the USA - I assume they wouldn't paste the "made in china" labels on those pieces when I see them in the store. the only way output can be up, while furniture employment is in such steep decline, would be through automation.

yes, facts are good. but common sense and observations are also important.


25 posted on 05/02/2005 11:44:17 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: 1rudeboy
Willie Green runs screaming into the night

Thanks for the LOL. I'd miss Willie if he ever left for good. Who else would be deeply saddened at good news?

(From what I understand he's moving and so is not online for a few weeks until he gets unpacked again.)

26 posted on 05/02/2005 11:50:30 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: oceanview
the only way output can be up, while furniture employment is in such steep decline, would be through automation.

Well, there you go. Finally got one right!!!

yes, facts are good. but common sense and observations are also important.

And if you used them more often, you wouldn't sounds so silly, so often.

27 posted on 05/02/2005 12:00:11 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (If you agree with Karl Marx, the AFL-CIO and E.P.I. please stop calling yourself a conservative!!)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

so where is all this made in the USA furniture assembled by robots?

the truth is, offshoring destroys what would be the normal business investment cycles in automation. sure, I would like to see robotic furniture factories - in north carolina. then at least we could accept the job losses there. but we don't have that.

its the same in other industries. why doesn't anyone invest in new machines to harvest crops like tomatoes and lettuce? why bother, when mexican migrants work for a few $$$s a day. why doesn't AMEX invest in fully automated natural language customer service capabilities? why bother, when you can hire an agent in India for $15K per year. and on and on.

access to low cost global labor pools ruins what would be the normal business cycles of technology and automation investment. what we should have is a huge "automation industry" being developed here in the US providing the productivity gains for businesses to shed these low productivity jobs like furniture assembly and customer support. But we don't, instead we just get the jobs offshored, and nothing in exchange except for a few more millionaire corporate executives.


28 posted on 05/02/2005 12:52:18 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: oceanview
so where is all this made in the USA furniture assembled by robots?

You tell me. You're the expert on furniture. You were sure the ISM report was wrong. Prove it wrong.

what we should have is a huge "automation industry" being developed here in the US providing the productivity gains for businesses to shed these low productivity jobs like furniture assembly and customer support.

Ummm, haven't you whined before about all the manufacturing job losses? I think manufacturing accounts for more $$$ in our economy than ever before. I'd say we already have a huge "automation industry". That's how your complaint about employment and rude's and my point about output can be correct at the same time.

29 posted on 05/02/2005 1:02:02 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (If you agree with Karl Marx, the AFL-CIO and E.P.I. please stop calling yourself a conservative!!)
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To: John O
Yes, Willie is on hiatus. I don't feel guilty about not pinging him to this thread, as he and I have been running this joke for years.
30 posted on 05/02/2005 1:22:15 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: oceanview
I used to sell lighting. Don't presume to suggest that I go to Home Depot to learn about it . . . I'll leave that to you.
31 posted on 05/02/2005 1:24:08 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

was I imagining all those "made in china" labels on the boxes?


32 posted on 05/02/2005 5:12:13 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: oceanview

Dunno. Were you drinking?


33 posted on 05/02/2005 7:59:56 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy; oceanview

I just came back from "Roomful Express" because it's 1/2 mile down from my office. 45-50% of wood furniture is made in china except for sofas.

rude and todd will say post proof. I have proof. Go to you local Roomful Express and see for yourself.


34 posted on 05/03/2005 9:16:46 AM PDT by superiorslots
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To: superiorslots

I refer you to reply #12. You might also wish to re-visit your definition of "proof."


35 posted on 05/03/2005 10:47:19 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: superiorslots

costco and walmart too, as well as the other price club stores selling furniture. I like buying unfinished all wood furniture (made in the US and Canada) and staining it myself.


36 posted on 05/03/2005 5:11:55 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: superiorslots; 1rudeboy; oceanview
rude and todd will say post proof. I have proof. Go to you local Roomful Express and see for yourself.

Let's see, 1 man with very weak math abilities has gone to 1 store to count how much furniture was made in China. Yeah, that's proof that the furniture industry in the US didn't grow in the month of April. Right!

37 posted on 05/04/2005 2:19:41 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (If you agree with Karl Marx, the AFL-CIO and E.P.I. please stop calling yourself a conservative!!)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Who needs proof when I see it in front of my face? [chuckle]


38 posted on 05/12/2005 6:14:26 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

He went to WalMart and started counting items on the shelves. He estimated 65-75% of it's products were made in China. How high do you think he counted? 40 or 50? LOL! At least he didn't say that 180% of the items were from China. We know his margin of error is pretty high.


39 posted on 05/12/2005 6:22:10 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (If you agree with Karl Marx, the AFL-CIO and E.P.I. please stop calling yourself a conservative!!)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

I'm still waiting for you to come to my local walmart and bring $1000 cash. How come you won't take me up on it??


40 posted on 05/12/2005 7:00:11 AM PDT by superiorslots
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