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To: Stoat

You know, the German culture and society is far unlike the culture and the society from which I came, and of course the time of Hitler was far before my own time, but I could never understand his "personal appeal," this "charisma" stuff.

Looking at old Time and Life magazines from the 1930s, and old black-and-white news-reels, it seems to me the guy should have been utterly repulsive to just about everybody--whether German or not, whether of the era or not.

Despite having read God only knows how many biographies of Hitler, I still have yet to find a scintilla, a sliver, of his so-called "charm" and "charisma."

So one has to reasonably conclude that the entire German people (Germans still in Germany, not those of German descent in other parts of the world) were, as they are today, too easily duped by con-men, shams, counterfeits, fakes, buncombe artists, and fairy tales.


3 posted on 05/02/2005 1:42:20 AM PDT by franksolich (oh, it's just a prefix, a minor detail, can't be important)
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To: franksolich

Many feel Clinton was a charmer


5 posted on 05/02/2005 1:51:04 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn
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To: franksolich

Remember...how many folks who voted for John Kerry????


6 posted on 05/02/2005 1:56:58 AM PDT by RVN Airplane Driver (Thanks America for not slapping us in the face again.)
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To: franksolich

He gave desperate people hope. For a clue to what the Germans saw in him (and themselves) watch Triumph of the Will.


10 posted on 05/02/2005 2:37:59 AM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: franksolich

You need to remember that he didn't even win a majority of the vote when he was elected. He stole power after that and a combination of good propaganda and the SS took care of anyone who doubted what a wonderful man Hitler was.


12 posted on 05/02/2005 2:59:49 AM PDT by whershey (www.worldwar4.net)
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To: franksolich

You are right on the mark.

One of the most common mistakes I see people make is that they never weigh a person's actions. Jesus said, "By their fruits you will know them." I also had a friend who always said, "Watch what they do, not what they say."

So many troubles of this world, in so many areas of life, would be be avoided if people did this.


14 posted on 05/02/2005 3:43:22 AM PDT by I still care (America is not the problem - it is the solution..)
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To: franksolich
So one has to reasonably conclude that the entire German people (Germans still in Germany, not those of German descent in other parts of the world) were, as they are today, too easily duped by con-men, shams, counterfeits, fakes, buncombe artists, and fairy tales.

I'm not certain the German people are alone in being duped by con-men etc.

We, Americans, were also duped by a slick con-man by the name of William Jefferson Clinton for whom "I still have yet to find a scintilla, a sliver, of his so-called "charm" and "charisma." .

17 posted on 05/02/2005 3:49:59 AM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: franksolich
Despite having read God only knows how many biographies of Hitler, I still have yet to find a scintilla, a sliver, of his so-called "charm" and "charisma."

Try the various books about the Third Reich by David Irving for a sympathetic portrait of Hitler et. al. Irving certainly finds him fascinating; in the jacket photo on his biography of Goering, Irving is shown complete with forelock, mustache and sullen glare.

18 posted on 05/02/2005 3:50:38 AM PDT by Grut
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To: franksolich
Well... some people who heard him in person use to say that while he spoke, be became possessed by something.
About the charm appeal, I don't think we can use the same meaning of charm here as a man would charm a lady off her feet.
The kind of charm they maybe talking about here, is like the charm people like i.e. Jim Jones, Louis Farrakhan, your cult leaders would have.
20 posted on 05/02/2005 4:03:13 AM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: franksolich
I still have yet to find a scintilla, a sliver, of his so-called "charm" and "charisma."

His charisma was due to his power.Wealth,power and physical attractiveness give one a certain amount of charisma,in the eyes of some.

Case in point,Mother Teresa (the one who's alive).If she was worth $100,000 instead of a billion,who would give a rat's hindquarters about anything she had to say?

25 posted on 05/02/2005 4:27:27 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative
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To: franksolich

I think it was CBS that did a two hour dramatized special on Hitler's rise a year or two ago. Many Jewish organizations objected to the special as apparently making him look too good. The actor who played him, however, portrayed him as a tyranical, prissy little man whom no one in his or her right mind would want to follow. My impression was that actor got Hitler all wrong because none of the magnetic quality of his pesonality, testified to by all of his contemporaries, came through. What you say about the old news reels of him is certainly true--he appears to be repulsive. I have this feeeling that, if I understood German, I might be better able to appreciate his personal appeal.


29 posted on 05/02/2005 6:28:07 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: franksolich
So one has to reasonably conclude that the entire German people (Germans still in Germany, not those of German descent in other parts of the world) were, as they are today, too easily duped by con-men, shams, counterfeits, fakes, buncombe artists, and fairy tales.

Hillary Clinton is an elected U.S. Senator - rumored to have an interest in running for President.

32 posted on 05/02/2005 6:44:12 AM PDT by neutrino (Globalization “is the economic treason that dare not speak its name.” (173))
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To: franksolich

also they were in a horrific post-war depression, which is a recipe for putting someone like him in power.


34 posted on 05/02/2005 7:30:09 AM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: franksolich

Alot of people say Bill Clinton is charismatic. I don't get it at all.


37 posted on 05/02/2005 8:07:57 AM PDT by Hostage
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To: franksolich

I have a friend who was a young girl in Germany during Hitler's time. She recalls being selected to give him flowers during one of those endless rallies. She said the thing that she could never forget was his eyes. She said they were blue and hypnotic. I found it interesting that this nurse mentions his eyes.


40 posted on 05/02/2005 8:15:23 PM PDT by WVNan
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