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MI6 and the Croatian general(indicted for Krajina massacre)
BBC News ^ | 04/30/05 | Nick Thorpe

Posted on 04/30/2005 9:23:42 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

MI6 and the Croatian general
 

BBC's Nick Thorpe
 
  By Nick Thorpe
  BBC News, Dubrovnik
 

European intelligence services have joined forces in the search for Croatian General Ante Gotovina, indicted by the war crimes tribunal in The Hague for alleged war crimes against Serbia in 1995. But as Nick Thorpe finds out, tracking him down is proving a difficult task.

Croatian General Ante Gotovina (Photo: Hrvoje Polan/AFP/Getty Images)
Croatian General Ante Gotovina was indicted for war crimes in 2001
Franjo Turek suggests we meet in the Dubrovnik cafe in central Zagreb.

He is sitting in the corner by the window when I arrive, looking younger, but more haunted than I had expected.

Nine years as a secret policeman, then four as director of the Croatian Counter Intelligence Agency, the POA, have left their mark on him.

The cafe is pleasantly full, but a man in glasses and a striped shirt finds a table right next to ours.

It comes as a shock, but not necessarily a surprise, to see that he has a small microphone pointed straight at us.

"One of yours?" asks Turek, nodding towards the man.

"No-one works for me", I protest. "Is he not one of yours?"

Turek looks the man up and down.

"I used to have a staff of 700", he jokes. "I did not meet all of them."

After a while, stripy shirt leaves and another man takes his place, at another table nearby.

War crimes

Franjo Turek ran the POA from February 2000 to March 2004.

Since he retired, articles have appeared in the Croatian and foreign press, accusing him of helping General Gotovina's network, rather than uncovering it.

Gotovina was in charge of the troops who carried out a blitzkrieg operation to liberate the Krajina region from Serb control in August 1995.

In 2001, he was indicted by The Hague Tribunal for war crimes allegedly carried out by Croatian forces, the burning and looting of Serb homes, and the death of at least 150, mostly elderly and defenceless Serb civilians.

Tipped off about his indictment, he disappeared.

In a 2003 interview from his hideaway, published in Croatia, Gotovina denied responsibility for any crimes and said he would gladly give evidence to the Hague tribunal.

But as a free man, not a suspected criminal.

EU accession

War crimes prosecutor Carla del Ponte
The chief prosecutor of the tribunal, Carla del Ponte, who has her own investigators in the Balkans claims he is still in Croatia or Bosnia
In the last 16 months, eight Croats have surrendered voluntarily to The Hague.

Documents, mostly those gathered by the POA, and many relating to the Gotovina case, have been handed over.

"We have contact with the tribunal prosecutors office almost every day" says an exasperated Minister of Justice, Vesna Skare Ozbolt.

But despite this, influential EU states led by Britain, still oppose the start of Croatia's accession talks with the European Union.

The authorities in Zagreb say they know how Gotovina left the country.

They know something about the foreign support network which keeps him going.

They have re-shuffled the secret services, and sacked at least one senior police officer.

But the bird, they say, has definitely flown.

But the chief prosecutor of the tribunal, Carla del Ponte, who has her own investigators in the Balkans claims he is still in Croatia or Bosnia.

'Bugging operation'

Turek believes his trouble started when he rejected advances from the British counter-intelligence agency, MI6, for suspected Gotovina supporters to be bugged.

To get permission from the Supreme Court to tap phones, he told them, he needed some proof.

But MI6, either because they did not have the evidence, or because they were afraid it would be leaked, did not provide it. So the operation only went ahead after Turek's retirement.

Under his successor at the POA, the bugging operation was launched, from three dark blue Bedford vans, but failed to find Gotovina before a deadline set by the Croatian prime minister in June last year.

Since the fall of Communism, MI6 has been deeply involved in revamping many intelligence agencies across East and Central Europe
A catalogue of disasters unfolded for the British, including the probable sabotage of one of their vans full of surveillance equipment, and the exposure in the Croatian press of the names of some of their senior agents in the Balkans.

They appear to blame Turek, unfairly, he told me. "I think your service is listening to the wrong sources" he says.

A document purporting to be the latest memo from MI6 to the POA, was immediately leaked to the press.

It allegedly calls for Turek's arrest, unless he spills the beans about Gotovina.

But he says there are no beans to spill.

"I am not an opponent of the British, of the EU, or of the Hague Tribunal" he says, wearily.

And he speaks fondly of his first years at the helm of the POA, and the joint actions with the British to stop Croatian arms smuggling to the Real IRA.

New start

Since the fall of Communism, MI6 has been deeply involved in revamping many intelligence agencies across East and Central Europe.

When a country like Hungary joined Nato, one of the reasons the organisation had little fear of the ex-Communist agents who still comprise around one third of its spies, was that the Hungarian secret service had been thoroughly re-organised and retrained with MI6 help.

And that help was also extended to the Croatian agencies, after the death of President Franjo Tudjman, in 1999.

Today, Franjo Turek just wants to put his career as a spy chief behind him, and start something new. "I pray to God to finish that Gotovina issue" he says, in conclusion.

Many in Croatia, in the European Union, and in the British government, would certainly agree with him.

From Our Own Correspondent was broadcast on Saturday, 30 April, 2005 at 1130 BST on BBC Radio 4. Please check the programme schedules for World Service transmission times.




TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: antegotovina; balkans; croatia; krajinamassacre; mi6; poa; serbia; warcrime

1 posted on 04/30/2005 9:23:43 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: mark502inf; Honorary Serb; MadelineZapeezda; joan; Jane_N; getoffmylawn; Destro; jb6; ...

Speaking of looking for war criminals...

I guess certain war criminals are simply more equal than others?


2 posted on 04/30/2005 10:09:15 AM PDT by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: mark502inf; Honorary Serb; MadelineZapeezda; joan; Jane_N; getoffmylawn; Destro; jb6; ...

Speaking of looking for war criminals...

I guess certain war criminals are simply more equal than others?


3 posted on 04/30/2005 10:11:25 AM PDT by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: FormerLib

Sorry, but Gotovina is not a war criminal.


4 posted on 04/30/2005 2:04:08 PM PDT by Diocletian
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To: Diocletian

"Sorry, but Gotovina is not a war criminal."

One man's war "hero" is another man's war criminal!


5 posted on 04/30/2005 2:35:24 PM PDT by Jane_N (Truth, like beauty....is in the eyes of the beholder! And please DON'T feed the trolls!)
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To: Diocletian

So what term would you prefer we use to describe someone indicted for war crimes?


6 posted on 04/30/2005 2:47:18 PM PDT by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: FormerLib

Not all indictees are the same....and we know how politicized The Hague Tribunal is.


7 posted on 04/30/2005 2:57:59 PM PDT by Diocletian
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To: Diocletian

"Not all indictees are the same"

Oh yes they are. It's only the victims which are different.


8 posted on 04/30/2005 3:01:39 PM PDT by Jane_N (Truth, like beauty....is in the eyes of the beholder! And please DON'T feed the trolls!)
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To: FormerLib; Diocletian
The United States government has a list here: At Large Persons Publicly Indicted for War Crimes in the Former Yugoslavia

As shown at the site, the Bush Administration offers rewards for the apprehension of war criminals from the former Yugoslavia, to include Gotovina:

The U.S. Rewards for Justice program calls on citizens to do their part to contribute to international justice. The program offers up to $5 million for information leading to the apprehension and transfer to the ICTY of persons indicted for war crimes.

9 posted on 04/30/2005 5:00:09 PM PDT by mark502inf
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To: Jane_N

Well said, Jane.


10 posted on 04/30/2005 5:00:31 PM PDT by mark502inf
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To: Jane_N

No, not all indictees are the same...for instance, different indictees are charged with different things.


11 posted on 04/30/2005 5:08:30 PM PDT by Diocletian
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To: mark502inf

I'm sorry, but what "war crime" did Gotovina commit?


12 posted on 04/30/2005 5:08:59 PM PDT by Diocletian
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To: Diocletian
Dio, as you know he has been indicted, not convicted. This is his indictment.

It includes 8 counts of "Persecutions; Murder; Plunder of Property; Wanton Destruction of Cities, Towns or Villages; Deportation and Forced Displacement; and Other Inhumane Acts."

13 posted on 04/30/2005 5:20:23 PM PDT by mark502inf
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To: Diocletian; FormerLib

Another day of shame
By Peter Badel
01may05

AN incomprehensible, boorish chant about the Pope - delivered with such unnerving venom in a foreign language by Serbian fans to their Croatian rivals - saw Australian football break out in civil war yet again.

Parramatta Stadium yesterday was supposed to be the state-of-the-art stadium with the high-tech gadgetry to quell soccer hooliganism and decades of ethnic tension.
Instead, it became a battlefield.

A place where juveniles attacked police, a supporter bus was buffeted by rocks and bottles, hooligans goaded rivals with the nationalistic symbols of foreign lands and NSW football officials watched it all unfold, feeling sick in the stomach.

For 22 years, the Croatian-backed Sydney United and the Serbian-supported Bonnyrigg White Eagles have been kept at arm's length.

Sydney United played in the National Soccer League; Bonnyrigg in the inferior NSW Premier League.

But the creation of the A-League has seen Sydney United relegated to the same competition as Bonnyrigg, opening the wounds of ethnic rivals, some of whom are still clearly hurting from the Yugoslavian civil war of the 1990s.

The proud but fierce foes have met twice in the past six weeks. Both games have ended in carnage.

In March, six people were arrested and several police injured after a riot broke out between rival fans at Edensor Park in Sydney's southwest.

A car was later firebombed at the Croatian-backed King Tomislav Club. Returning serve, a dozen shots were fired at Bonnyrigg's clubhouse.

And yesterday at Parramatta - away from the heartland of both clubs and a venue officials were confident would prevent another outbreak of violence - the madness still ensued.

An air of hostility permeated the place from the moment the teams kicked off at 2pm.

The rival supporter bases had been separated, European-football style.

Bonnyrigg were perched in the grandstand named after Parramatta rugby league legend Ray Price.

They outnumbered the Croatians sitting in the Michael Cronin stand by almost three to one.

For 90 minutes, the players turned on some fine soccer and Bonnyrigg, equal competition leaders, won 4-1. But football took a distant backseat to the pathetic, puerile behaviour of an enclave of fans hellbent on destruction. When Sydney United opened the scoring, about 100 Croatians charged down the steps in the top tier of the stand, giving Bonnyrigg fans the bird and hurling abuse.

The White Eagles responded with four goals after halftime, sending their unruly element into raptures. They ripped off their shirts, swung them high in the air and raised a three-fingered Serbian salute.

Club officials, draped in fluorescent shirts and acting as ad hoc security guards, desperately tried to calm their anger.

With each goal, they chanted Serbia, Serbia. They sang only in Serbian, but this writer had the Pope chant deciphered when a Croatian director stormed into a box housing NSW soccer officials at fulltime.

The director confronted NSW soccer chairman Tom Doumanis, relayed the message sung by Serbian fans, and demanded they be handed life bans.

"This is ridiculous, Tom," he fumed. "Get rid of these bastards."

Upon seeing me, he slammed the door.

Twelve minutes before fulltime, the true, horrific, tragic tale of soccer - or football as it is now known - emerged over the PA system.

"Ladies and gentlemen, would all Sydney United supporters please leave the ground immediately at fulltime," the voice said in stern tones.

"All Bonnyrigg supporters, please remain where you are seated until further notice."

The idea was to give the Croatian fans time to leave the ground and the precinct.

Most did, but a small element hovered outside the ground, waiting for trouble.

Upon release, the Bonnyrigg thugs were ferried into an archaic bus. Most opened the windows and flashed the three-fingered salute repeatedly. One fan, with the White Eagle logo tattooed on his right arm, remonstrated with police.

And then the violence spilled over. Refusing to enter the bus, a pack of Bonnyrigg fans avoided a police line and raced around to the other end of Parramatta Stadium, where Croatian fans were boarding their bus.

As the bus was about to hit second gear, the Serbians stormed it, hurling massive rocks and bottles and punching windows.

A Croatian fan responded by producing a wooden plank with about 15 nails hammered into it. About to wield it, the plank was intercepted by an officer. A metal pole was also confiscated.

As the warring groups clashed, a group of 40 police chased Croatian and Serbian hooligans through the streets of Parramatta.

When the madness dissipated, police had arrested four fans and charged another juvenile with an attack on a player.


14 posted on 04/30/2005 5:23:06 PM PDT by mark502inf
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To: mark502inf

"Well said, Jane."

I "can" be wise at times ;)


15 posted on 04/30/2005 6:58:26 PM PDT by Jane_N (Truth, like beauty....is in the eyes of the beholder! And please DON'T feed the trolls!)
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To: mark502inf

Actually Mark, ethnic rivallry is pretty common at soccer/football matches in Australia. The same thing happened at the match between Preston Lions (Macedonian supporters) and South Melbourne Hellas (Greek supporters as you can guess by the team's name) teams a week or so ago according to my brother in Melbourne. It been going on since before I moved to Sweden (almost 15 yrs). It's only much more violent now.


16 posted on 04/30/2005 7:03:47 PM PDT by Jane_N (Truth, like beauty....is in the eyes of the beholder! And please DON'T feed the trolls!)
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To: mark502inf
Mark:

Did he order any of this to happen?

17 posted on 04/30/2005 7:49:28 PM PDT by Diocletian
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To: Diocletian
Did he order any of this to happen?

Don't know. The indictment says the crimes were "widespread and systematic" and that as part of the Croat leadership, he directed those operations or, after being informed of the abuses, did nothing to stop them.

18 posted on 05/01/2005 4:26:44 AM PDT by mark502inf
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To: mark502inf

He didn't direct those operations, nor was he in command responsibility (since he was in Bosnia already).


19 posted on 05/01/2005 8:11:08 AM PDT by Diocletian
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To: Jane_N

>"Sorry, but Gotovina is not a war criminal."
>One man's war "hero" is another man's war criminal!

You forget which side America supported. America supported the winner in the Balkan War and that is anyone who was against the Serbs.


20 posted on 05/01/2005 4:40:40 PM PDT by rasblue (What would Barry Goldwater do?)
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