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Bush Holds News Conference [Proposes to turn social security into a poverty program]
The New York Times ^ | April 28, 2005 | DAVID STOUT

Posted on 04/28/2005 6:38:41 PM PDT by Brilliant

WASHINGTON, April 28 - President Bush said tonight that Social Security should be adjusted so that benefits for people with lower incomes would grow faster than for those who were more affluent.

Mr. Bush said the change would go a long way toward solving the retirement system's problems and would keep a solemn pledge to people who have worked hard for a lifetime but have not amassed great wealth: "You will not retire into poverty."

Speaking at a White House news conference on the eve of the symbolic 100-day mark of his second term, Mr. Bush again pushed for voluntary personal retirement accounts within Social Security for younger workers. And he said again that he was open to good ideas from either party, provided the suggestions, if carried out, would not "raise the payroll tax rate or harm the economy."

While ruling out raising the 6.2 percent payroll tax rate for Social Security, perhaps significantly he did not rule out raising the ceiling, now $90,000, on which earnings are taxed for Social Security.

"As we fix Social Security, some things won't change," Mr. Bush said, recognizing that for decades any talk of changing the system has been considered the political equivalent of Russian roulette. "Seniors and people with disabilities will get their checks. All Americans born before 1950 will receive the full benefits."

The president also called on the Senate to pass his energy program, the outlines of which have already been endorsed by the House, so that the United States can be energy-independent. Among his ideas, which he said involve obtaining more energy through "innovative and environmentally sensitive ways," is drilling in a portion of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.

"My administration is doing everything we can to make gasoline more affordable," Mr. Bush said, alluding to a recent trend that polls show is annoying the American people and perhaps endangering him politically. "There will be no price-gouging at gas pumps in America."

The president also touched on several other hot-button issues. He declined to offer a timetable for the withdrawal of American troops from Iraq, but said they would begin to come home "as soon as possible," and he insisted that the United States and its allies were making progress there.

Mr. Bush said, too, that he stood by his embattled nominee for United Nations ambassador, John R. Bolton, and that Mr. Bolton's by now well known abrasiveness might stand him and the United States in good stead.

"John Bolton is a blunt guy," he said during the hourlong session with reporters. "John Bolton can get the job done at the United Nations."

Mr. Bush and his top aides have repeatedly said that the United Nations needs to adapt to the 21st century instead of being little more than an international debating society.

But Mr. Bush dwelled heavily on his Social Security proposals, emphasizing, in response to a question, that any Congressional action that addressed the system's solvency - but did not allow for private accounts - would be unacceptable to him.

He said these accounts would allow only for safe, conservative investments, like Treasury bonds backed by the full faith and credit of the United States government, which has never defaulted. (The president's Democratic critics chided him recently for referring to the $1.7 trillion in Treasury securities that make up the Social Security trust fund, amassed by the current accumulating surplus, as little more than a pile of i.o.u.'s. These securities, too, are backed by the government's full faith and credit.)

Mr. Bush, in the fourth prime-time news conference of his presidency, said his two-month campaign to promote his ideas for Social Security had convinced him that the American people "understand that Social Security is heading for serious financial trouble." "Congresses have made promises they cannot keep for a younger generation," Mr. Bush said. By 2041, he asserted, "Social Security will be bankrupt."

Mr. Bush did not go into detail, in his opening remarks, on the inexorable trends that actuaries envision as baby-boomers move into retirement. Actuaries have forecast that the retirement system, which now takes in more than it pays out, will start to run a deficit in 2017.

From 2017 until 2041, the system could still pay full benefits by drawing on its store of Treasury securities in which the present incoming surplus is now invested. And starting in 2041 - the point at which Mr. Bush said bankruptcy would occur - the system would be able to pay benefits at only about 72 percent, unless changes are made in the meantime.

"Social Security is too important for politics as usual," Mr. Bush said, after months in which the White House and its Republican allies have argued bitterly with Democrats, who generally oppose the concept of individual retirement accounts within Social Security because they fear the change will undermine the system without fixing its admitted long-range problems.

As for opinion polls showing that many people are wary of his ideas for the retirement program, Mr. Bush said, as he has many times and in connection with many issues, that he does not worry about them. "You know," he said, "if a president tries to govern based upon polls, you're kind of like a dog chasing your tail."


TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bush; bush43; energy; gwb; meanstesting; newsconference; presidentbush; socialsecurity
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Define rich.


81 posted on 04/28/2005 11:11:27 PM PDT by stockstrader
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To: patriciaruth

This thread is full of bogus conservatives.


82 posted on 04/28/2005 11:21:04 PM PDT by Chunga
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To: Brilliant; WestCoastGal; GRRRRR; steveegg; NormsRevenge; glock rocks; SheLion; NYTexan; ...
All Americans born before 1950 will receive the full benefits."

Am I the ONLY one that heard and read this?

Anybody born after that is getting SCREWED worse that we are now!!!!!

I turned the channel when that was spewed from his mouth.

< /TOTAL DISGUST >

83 posted on 04/28/2005 11:22:34 PM PDT by ChefKeith (Apply here to be added to the NASCAR Ping List, Daytona is done but we got 28 more races to go...)
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To: ChefKeith; B4Ranch; Pete-R-Bilt
From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.

- Karl Marx

84 posted on 04/28/2005 11:32:14 PM PDT by glock rocks (For the love of all that's good and decent, don't try this at home)
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To: glock rocks

You hit the cast iron shop again yet?


85 posted on 04/28/2005 11:38:03 PM PDT by ChefKeith (Apply here to be added to the NASCAR Ping List, Daytona is done but we got 28 more races to go...)
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To: ChefKeith

I really tried to avoid it. LOL.

Yep.


86 posted on 04/28/2005 11:40:49 PM PDT by glock rocks (For the love of all that's good and decent, don't try this at home)
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To: glock rocks

I knew you would not be able to skip it;)

Kinda like the gun shop...


87 posted on 04/28/2005 11:42:02 PM PDT by ChefKeith (Apply here to be added to the NASCAR Ping List, Daytona is done but we got 28 more races to go...)
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To: Nyboe
first prescription drug benefits... now this wealth redistribution scheme !!! wtf !!!

Bush has been a socialist all along. That is what it means when you are a "free trade" globalist. Where once we had an economy driven by opportunity, innovation, and productivity, we now have one based on taking advantage of the arbitrage created by international political winds. The market is no longer a creative force, it has been transformed into just another mechanism for promoting public taxation, and private pork.
89 posted on 04/29/2005 12:52:48 AM PDT by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: oceanview

You made an excellent point and the change needs immediate implementation. There are some trolls on the site who would lament even if President Bush gave everyone in the USA one million dollars tax free. I presume it comes down to who could you trust in looking out for the welfare of SS eligible people? bill klintoon, shrillary klintoon, the democommies or a man of honor, integrity, leadership and compassion for all Americans(President Bush) I most avidly choose President Bush in reigning in this program for the betterment of all Americans. Private accounts can be left to the survivors of the deceased. Under the present system if a person paid/worked until eligibility and was unmarried/divorced/no dependents (died) their money would stay in the pot. The demo-commies like this way, they need your money to give it away to some undeserving foreigners who turn 65 and become US citizens and receive ss even though they have not paid into the system. If the program were changed they would lose part of their clandestine voting bloc. In summation, there are too, many chicken littles crying the sky will fall if the program is changed. Pro-active action in this matter sure as hell beats the standard reactive method. The AARP members need to wake up and stop being hoodwinked by the democrats who do not have their best interests in mind. "Gotta Fled" from the soap-box. NSNR Take care Oceanview, and it is always nice to see other sane people on this site.


90 posted on 04/29/2005 2:04:42 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: Brilliant
The President didn't say that. What the President say is NO ONE who has worked hard all their lives should forced to live in poverty. And he stood firm on the subject of personal account, in allowing American workers to own their own assets and pass it on to their heirs. He observed that members of Congress have a personal account style program for themselves and their families. As he stated succinctly, if its good enough for members of Congress, its good enough for the American people. The point of Social Security reform should be to allow Americans to enjoy their retirement with dignity and peace of mind. To say the President proposed American retirees should live in poverty is a deeply offensive notion. Not even the New York Times made this charge.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
91 posted on 04/29/2005 2:10:15 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

Fine, if that's what the proposal says, I have no problem with it, but as I understand, he wants to index benefits according to what you earned during your working years, and those earning less will receive more. That was not the "promise" of social security, and it's too late to do the bait and switch.


92 posted on 04/29/2005 4:33:08 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: ChefKeith

Agreed. I was born in 1957. Looks like they're going to breach their promise to us.


93 posted on 04/29/2005 4:34:22 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant

I'm self-employed, my payroll tax is 12.4%, where does guy get off off saying the payroll tax is only 6.2%? Does he think an employee only pays the 6.2%? The other 6.2% his employer pays is money that costs the employer to have him as an employee that could otherwise go to the employees earnings. The employee actually pays the entire 12.4%.

I did not go college, this guy did. He must be pretending to be stupid.


94 posted on 04/29/2005 4:42:21 AM PDT by HankReardon
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To: Brilliant
Looks like they're going to breach their promise to us.

From last nights speach:

"So I propose a Social Security system in the future where benefits for low-income workers will grow faster than benefits for people who are better off."

A variety of options are available to solve the rest of the problem, and I will work with Congress on any good-faith proposal that does not raise the payroll tax rate or harm our economy.

Worse; it sounds to me like the issue has blown up in Bush's face. Even after cutting benefits for those who are "better off" he may not be able to prevent a social security tax hike.
95 posted on 04/29/2005 4:44:19 AM PDT by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: patriciaruth

Please note that he offers PRIVATE ACCOUNTS which should easily make up the difference!!!! The higher taxed individuals will not lose unless they are stupid.


96 posted on 04/29/2005 4:46:37 AM PDT by BillM
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To: Chesner

I'm reading the posts now, did i stumble onto the DU you website by mistake? Were you being sarcastic when you said the rich acquired their wealth from their mommies and daddies and it should be confiscated and distributed?

What is your definition of socialism?


97 posted on 04/29/2005 4:48:08 AM PDT by HankReardon
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To: Brilliant
This is the first step; a means test for higher income earner's.

The other shoe will fall down the road (another administration); up the cap on taxable income (a major tax hike in no uncertain terms).

Let's not fool ourselves; it does not matter who is in power, it is gonna happen.

I've been saying this for years now, and now that the breaking point is coming closer, so are our elected officials.

So, the only thing I can recommend to those who are fairly affluent, don't expect much from social security when you retire.

In the end both parties will see to it that social security does not go away; the only difference down the road will be who will be entitled to it and how much you will be required to pay into it (even if you get little or nothing in return).

IMHO
98 posted on 04/29/2005 4:48:09 AM PDT by PigRigger (Send donations to http://www.AdoptAPlatoon.org)
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To: xcamel

My favorite is when someone invents something foolproof, God creates a better class of fools.


99 posted on 04/29/2005 4:49:07 AM PDT by 7thson (I think it takes a big dog to weigh a hundred pounds!)
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To: snowsislander

There is already a benefit cap on Social Security which we never hear about. What is the amount of the Social Security benefit cap?


100 posted on 04/29/2005 4:49:51 AM PDT by HankReardon
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