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Harper vows to take down Liberals
National Post ^ | Wednesday, April 27, 2005 | Colin Perkel

Posted on 04/27/2005 2:40:11 PM PDT by fanfan

Harper vows to take down Liberals

AMHERSTBURG, Ont. -- Conservative Party Leader Stephen Harper vowed Wednesday to topple the fragile Liberal government "at the earliest opportunity" as he fumed about Paul Martin's "deal with the devil" -- a $4.6-billion budget agreement with the New Democrats.

Harper called Martin's willingness to accede to the NDP's demand to remove billions of dollars in corporate tax cuts from the federal budget the "most disgraceful thing" he'd ever seen as he tried to pin the blame for a snap election on the Liberal-NDP alliance.

"The prime minister went so far as to say that this arrangement in this particular episode shows that this Parliament works," Harper said during a luncheon speech in Amherstburg, a short drive south of Windsor, Ont.

"This is not how Parliament should work. As soon as we get back, I will be asking our caucus to put this government out of its misery at the earliest possible opportunity."

That could be as early as May 4, according to Conservative insiders who say that's the earliest date that a no-confidence motion that's currently before the public works committee could be brought before the House of Commons for a vote.

At an earlier stop in Ridgetown, Ont., Harper said the "fiscally irresponsible" deal to delay corporate tax cuts and siphon the $4.6-billion proceeds into social programs over the next two years was a sign the government is "seriously off the rails."

Harper said it would be impossible for Conservatives to support the budget, which favours NDP priorities and props up a government teetering on the brink of collapse from explosive allegations emerging daily from the Gomery inquiry into the federal sponsorship scandal.

In exchange for the changes to the budget, Layton has agreed to support the government in its effort to get the budget passed and in any no-confidence motions the Liberals face before the budget bill receives royal assent.

"We already have enough problems with Liberal corruption," Harper said. "Having an NDP budget is not going to make us support Liberal corruption."

But in an interview Wednesday with The Canadian Press, Martin said he intends to use a separate piece of legislation to push ahead with the tax cuts that were excised from the budget, provided the Conservatives are willing to support the move.

Planned cuts for small- and medium-sized businesses remain intact under the agreement, which calls for $4.6 billion in new investment over two years for the environment, affordable housing, foreign aid, and post-secondary education and training.

Speaking in Montreal, Bloc Quebecois Leader Gilles Duceppe also slammed the proposed budget changes and said he doesn't intend to support them.

"What's good for Quebec, we'll support," Duceppe said. "What's bad for Quebec, we'll oppose. The Layton-Martin agreement is not good for Quebec. It's not a good budget for Quebec."

During his own election-style tour of southwestern Ontario, Layton said seeking the deal was an act of conscience and that voters will cast judgment on his actions when they go to the polls.

"I understand the criticism, and not everybody's going to like what we're doing; that's life, that's why we have a democracy. People will execute their judgment on voting day," Layton told students during a question-and-answer session.

"I couldn't sleep at night if I knew that I had the chance to help some people get off the street and I didn't take it because I wanted the political advantage. I couldn't sleep at night."

Recent polls suggest Canadians do not want an election so soon after last spring's campaign, which has the leaders frantically passing the political hot potato of who will be to blame for touching off a spring campaign.

The Tories and Bloc are widely expected to try to bring down the government next month by voting against the budget or provoking another kind of non-confidence vote.

Even with NDP support, the Liberal government's survival is uncertain.

The Liberals would need all their 131 votes, the NDP's 19, and possibly those of all three independents, allowing the Liberal Speaker to cast the deciding ballot to bring the tally to 154.


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To: RussianBoor

My wife went through the horrible hypocrisy of the immigration process. It is a joke. But it’s the creation of your beloved Liberals! The Liberals have no intention on improving immigration – unless it means allowing more psycho Arabs to get into Canada and then disappear.


61 posted on 05/02/2005 10:41:35 AM PDT by Lord Nelson
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To: fanfan

Encouraging news from our FD/FRiends
in the Great White North! Oh Canada!


62 posted on 05/02/2005 10:46:48 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (If you must filibuster, let the Constitution do the talkin')
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To: -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-

I swear to God Canadians are a hopeless bunch. Bad enough 70% of us vote for communists.

Did you see that the Liberals rose from 25 to 43% last poll in BC. WTF? Not only are they communists, want to brainwash our children in government run daycare, don’t think victims of crime are important, refused to sign up for free missile defense, ran a foregone inquiry into BC offshore drilling, joined a socialist Kyoto scam, and run a hypocritical EI system; they are also the most corrupt government in all of Canadian history.

The only reasonable explanation is that Canadians will vote Liberals as a punishment for the CP calling an early election? If it is due to Martin’s crocodile tears on TV, then he is a brilliant strategist and Canadians have less sense than dairy cows.


63 posted on 05/02/2005 10:50:54 AM PDT by Lord Nelson
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To: -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-

I swear to God Canadians are a hopeless bunch. Bad enough 70% of us vote for communists.

Did you see that the Liberals rose from 25 to 43% last poll in BC. WTF? Not only are they communists, want to brainwash our children in government run daycare, don’t think victims of crime are important, refused to sign up for free missile defense, ran a foregone inquiry into BC offshore drilling, joined a socialist Kyoto scam, and run a hypocritical EI system; they are also the most corrupt government in all of Canadian history.

The only reasonable explanation is that Canadians will vote Liberals as a punishment for the CP calling an early election? If it is due to Martin’s crocodile tears on TV, then he is a brilliant strategist and Canadians have less sense than dairy cows.


64 posted on 05/02/2005 10:51:05 AM PDT by Lord Nelson
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To: Lord Nelson

"Did you see that the Liberals rose from 25 to 43% last poll in BC"

Polls? I don't think you're a true conservative. If we follow polls in the last election then Harper should be PM.

Polls are design to play with people's mind. You're falling for the Liberal trap Nelson.


65 posted on 05/02/2005 11:22:50 AM PDT by -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-
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To: -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-; RussianBoor; Lord Nelson
Now our economy is not too bad, really.

As compared to what? Ireland, the US, Haiti?
What if we hadn't had $1-5 Billion stolen from our taxes?

I respect her position on the same-sex and pro-life issues

Something like 34 members of the Liberal party voted against same sex marriage.
Does that upset you too?

66 posted on 05/02/2005 12:30:44 PM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: Liberty Valance; All
Thanks for all the support, FRiends.
It really helps us to keep our 'chins' up. :-)
67 posted on 05/02/2005 12:32:41 PM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: RussianBoor
but nobody dare say Liberals/NDP are buying votes of CAW.

The Liberal and NDP parties of Canada ARE buying CAW votes.

There, I've said it.

68 posted on 05/02/2005 12:41:24 PM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: RussianBoor; MeekOneGOP
I have not heard that Canada is at war.

So you haven't heard about terrorism, eh?

Perhaps you would be more comfortable at DU?

69 posted on 05/02/2005 12:44:40 PM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: fanfan

Add me to the AS ping list please. This is getting better every day.


70 posted on 05/02/2005 12:50:00 PM PDT by BJClinton (Giuliani/DeLay 2008)
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To: -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-
Can you clarify? External polls are an almost exact science. I may not like them, but...

Things obviously can change once an election is called. The CP could fight the Liberals with a dirty campaign, which works. Tell Canada that the Liberals only balanced the budget because they stopped funding health care to the provinces.

I think the CP has lost momentum and now is not the time to call an election. Martin is a master strategist and Canadians will fall for health care fear mongering once again. The CP should not have supported the budget to begin with. If they defeat it now they will lose credibility.
71 posted on 05/02/2005 12:54:43 PM PDT by Lord Nelson
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To: fanfan
Of course they are. That is how they won Ontario last year. Brokered a deal to send taxpayer money to the auto industry. Lots of votes down there. I can't believe Canadians are bought with their own money. I'll give credit to Quebecers for not falling for that ruse.
72 posted on 05/02/2005 12:58:53 PM PDT by Lord Nelson
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To: BJClinton

You are now on the list. :-)


73 posted on 05/02/2005 1:01:29 PM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: Lord Nelson; fanfan; -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-
your beloved Liberals

Well, well, I have never said I love Liberals. As you might guess, as a recent immigrant, I have been and actually am open to all parties and views except NDP. I have always had pretty conservative views. I have lived quite a lot under communism and socialism and you may understand I will never support NDP or Commies. In a sense, I am a natural supporter of the CP, but I am not. I am undecided. I cannot really support Liberals and I cannot support CP. That's may be part of the CP problem in Ontario. You may call us here stupid or bribed or scared by Liberals but it is the fact that CP support here is not as high as it could have been. The reason is really not that we are stupid but rather that the CP does not do enough to reach people here. What kind of people do we see here speaking on behalf of CP? Former Alliance people who are completely out of touch. Even you guys started to send me to DU (what's DU by the way? Dimwitted Underlings or Democratic Underground (c) Google?) instead of admitting that something might be wrong with you because people support even the corrupt and inefficient Liberal government more than CP.
74 posted on 05/02/2005 1:12:04 PM PDT by RussianBoor
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To: fanfan
Canada is not at war in the same sense as the US and I pray it will stay this way. Canada cannot spend beyond its means. The US will shake off their deficit problem in a few years' time. Japan and Gulf states will gladly offer new billions of dollars in exchange for protection and favours. Nobody will ever help Canada. If Canada goes the same way it will be buried for a long time and may never recover, war or no war.
75 posted on 05/02/2005 1:19:45 PM PDT by RussianBoor
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To: fanfan
34 members of the Liberal party voted against same sex marriage. Does that upset you too?

Absolutely not but I think to make the same sex marriages a national priority is an extremely silly thing to do. Especially given the situation with the health care. Is there a single party which dare indeed to propose a real solution?
76 posted on 05/02/2005 1:25:59 PM PDT by RussianBoor
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To: fanfan

Thanks. Do you think there is any real chance of a conservative government north of the 49th?


77 posted on 05/02/2005 1:27:48 PM PDT by BJClinton (Giuliani/DeLay 2008)
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To: RussianBoor
I have always had pretty conservative views.

I guess that depends on the definition of 'Conservative'.

78 posted on 05/02/2005 1:42:03 PM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: RussianBoor
The Alliance and better yet, the Reform were the true conservatives - unlike the Tories who went red with Charest and then Clarke. It is because of Eastern bigotry the Reform could never make headway - because to you we are a bunch of rednecks out West. We know what you think of us. Hell, you guys put Trudeau into power - so I guess we shouldn't expect much.

What do you want? CP candidates to give you all blow jobs? Normal people vote for the party not the candidates anyways.
79 posted on 05/02/2005 2:50:25 PM PDT by Lord Nelson
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To: BJClinton

Not a chance. We are all socialists. Even of the 30% that vote CP, many are Western protest votes - people that vote NDP in provincial elections.


80 posted on 05/02/2005 2:51:41 PM PDT by Lord Nelson
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