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Uncle Sam wants you... to explain this $50 cash deposit
arstechnica.com ^ | 4/27/2005 | Hannibal

Posted on 04/27/2005 7:59:32 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty

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To: MeanWestTexan
A national sales tax nail those who hide income --- assuming they consume.

I believe an income tax should have been unconstitutional. However, a national sales tax will be open to abuses similar to the income tax. Many more items will be sold on the black market.

My wife, for instance, is a bargain shopper. She's as likely to buy something at a yard sale as at a store. Unless the taxes are charged at the manufacturing site or at the ports the goods come in on, a national sales tax will solve nothing.

41 posted on 04/27/2005 8:16:04 AM PDT by old and tired
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To: Holicheese

I think wires are not scrutinized as they are completely transparent. It is cash that gets the feds excited.


42 posted on 04/27/2005 8:16:39 AM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
The Feds can't even find time to patrol our borders. I doubt they'll be able to ccheck on a couple of billions of transactions.

I disagree. Its always easier to hassle those operating within the system than those outside of it. It takes people and political will to secure the borders. Computers can be programmed to run through astronomical numbers of transactions.

43 posted on 04/27/2005 8:16:50 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: all4one

"Transactions of $10,000.00 or more have been tracked by the Fed for at least 20 years. I am not sure of the legislation that allowed for this; but I know from friends in the banking industry that this has existed for quite a while."


Exactly. Democrats are just using it to show the vast oppresion they endure under George Bush.
They simply ignore the fact that the rules were already in place.


44 posted on 04/27/2005 8:17:30 AM PDT by cripplecreek (I don't suffer from stress. I am a carrier!)
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To: WoofDog123

That is why I print my own money!


45 posted on 04/27/2005 8:17:34 AM PDT by Holicheese (How many more must die Mister Speaker.)
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To: Holicheese
Honestly, I feel this whole story is a crock. Kind of like Bill Gates is going to send everyone a free pair of Gap jeans if you pass on this email.

Oh cool! How do I get my jeans?

46 posted on 04/27/2005 8:17:51 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Not Elected Pope Since 4/19/2005.)
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To: old and tired

"I believe an income tax should have been unconstitutional"

Well it was until they followed the procedure for amending the constitution and made it constitutional, unfortunately.

The NRST advocates haven't mentioned how they are going to get the states to actually repeal the 16th. Any NRST with repealing the 16th is simply stupid stupid stupid stupid as we will have 30% income tax and 20% nrst before long, british-style.


48 posted on 04/27/2005 8:19:14 AM PDT by WoofDog123
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49 posted on 04/27/2005 8:22:08 AM PDT by hispanarepublicana (I was Lucy Ramirez when being Lucy Ramirez was't cool.)
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To: RegulatorCountry
Individuals who have drawn unwanted attention to themselves, for whatever reason, now that's a different story.

Like people who travel a lot for their job and have to file a lot of expense reports. I ran into some harassment over this during my previous job. I was on the road 60% of the time, and frequently had $2-3K deposited into my account for expense reimbursement.

50 posted on 04/27/2005 8:22:16 AM PDT by BlackRazor
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To: PreciousLiberty

Deposits have been tracked for a long time, mostly to check money laundering. Not much new here.


51 posted on 04/27/2005 8:22:18 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Holicheese

"Suppose you return a bunch of bottles and cans and throw the $12 bucks in your account. No chance that this is real.
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Suppose you do. Do you really suppose that the government is interested in $12 deposits? How silly!

I sold a truck last month...the 24' UHaul I bought to move to Minnesota in. It wasn't a lot of money...just $4000. I deposited 40 $100 bills in my checking account the same day.

The government might be interested in a deposit like that, I suppose, but I have copies of the paperwork. Still, I doubt that they're interested even in that deposit, since it's not something that happens a lot in my account.

I'd rather the government didn't fiddle with that kind of stuff, but I suppose it's inevitable. Paranoia is a waste of mental energy.


53 posted on 04/27/2005 8:22:34 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: PreciousLiberty

Meanwhile, illegal aliens keep crossing over our borders, pedophiles keep getting released into the community, public schools are crumbling .........

But I digress


54 posted on 04/27/2005 8:22:39 AM PDT by JZelle
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To: hispanarepublicana

LOL!


55 posted on 04/27/2005 8:23:24 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty
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To: WoofDog123
My friend is one of those guys who has a good job (around $60,000 per year) he lives alone in a house that is fully paid for. He only keeps an account for the check cashing privilege. Over time he built up 30 or 40 grand in cash and decided to put it in the bank.

The feds never did anything, they just wanted to know where the sudden chunk of change came from.
56 posted on 04/27/2005 8:24:09 AM PDT by cripplecreek (I don't suffer from stress. I am a carrier!)
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To: dfwgator; cripplecreek; All
The Bank Secrecy Act:

Though most people do not know it, financial institutions are required by the federal government to spy on their customers. Congress authorized the Treasury Department to require them to do so in the Bank Secrecy Act.

The Bank Secrecy Act authorizes the Treasury Department to require financial institutions to maintain records of personal financial transactions that "have a high degree of usefulness in criminal, tax and regulatory investigations and proceedings." It also authorizes the Treasury Department to require any financial institution to report any "suspicious transaction relevant to a possible violation of law or regulation." These reports, called "Suspicious Activity Reports" are filed with the Treasury Department's Financial Crimes Enforcement Network ("FinCEN").

This is done secretly, without the consent or knowledge of bank customers, any time a financial institution decides that a transaction is "suspicious." The reports are made available electronically to every U.S. Attorney's Office and to 59 law enforcement agencies, including the FBI, Secret Service, and Customs Service. A law enforcement agency does not have to be suspicious of an actual crime before it accesses a report, and no court order, warrant, subpoena, or even written request is needed. Law enforcement agencies can, and allegedly do, download the entire harvest of new information from FinCEN whenever they want it.

Link to Bank Secrecy Act Info. Site

57 posted on 04/27/2005 8:24:37 AM PDT by all4one (Illegal aliens aka "Guest Workers"....just a PC name for slavery...kudos to the Minuteman Project)
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To: Semper Paratus

"any deposit over $5000 would be considered "suspicious"
Would make most house closings suspicious"




No fooling. Last Summer, I withdrew $174,000 from my savings account to pay for my new house. A couple of months before that, I put $337,000 into that account from the sale of my former house. I didn't hear from the feds, and didn't even have to account for it on my taxes this year.

I think, perhaps, the feds are looking for some other sort of pattern than such one-time transactions.


58 posted on 04/27/2005 8:25:57 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: dfwgator

"Supposedly it was implemented to nab drug traffickers who deposited large amounts of cash to banks, or paid for items like cars with cash."

I don't know. I have paid for every car I've ever owned with cash, generally withdrawn from the bank in $100 bills. The feds have never come to ask me about those transactions, and I've bought many cars.


59 posted on 04/27/2005 8:27:31 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: MineralMan

They may have knowledge of the transaction, but assuming you didn't purchase a certain kind of car, they may have figured it wasn't worth investigating. If you bought a Ferrari with cash, that probably would raise a red flag.


60 posted on 04/27/2005 8:30:14 AM PDT by dfwgator (Minutemen: Just doing the jobs that American politicians won't do.)
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