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The obesity myth
JWR ^ | 4-27-05 | Tucker Carlson

Posted on 04/27/2005 5:50:02 AM PDT by FlyLow

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To: Bob

My doctor told me last week that the upper limit for the fasting glucose test has just been dropped by 5 points... So the Dr.'s can ensure a steady stream of scared patients and keep ripping off the insurance companies. A couple of years ago I got a non-fasting test and was told I was OK. That was December. In January I returned to get the stitches out of my original wound and was told I had diabetes. As of JAN 1 the limit had dropped and I was told about all the money I could spend with the Dr. treating this horrible disease. I told him to kiss my diabetic @ss, I'll treat it when he takes my toes off.


41 posted on 04/27/2005 12:34:34 PM PDT by Safetgiver (Only two requisites to be a judge. Gray hair to look wise and hemmorhoids to look concerned.)
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To: SamAdams76

I have the total opposite situation to the one you lived through. I'm 5'10" and the most I have ever weighed in my life was 165 and that was 3 days before I gave birth. I was back down below 125 at my 6 week check up. And I have never dieted in my life, I eat what I want, when I want, and how much I want.

I have been on the receiving of the supposedly good natured jokes about anorexics - so I sympathize with those on the other end of the spectrum.


42 posted on 04/27/2005 12:49:24 PM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: ReeWalker

Kids just about can't "go out and play" because it's not safe to do so, even in one's own yard!


43 posted on 04/27/2005 12:54:15 PM PDT by P-Chan Penny (Watch out or I will send out my attack Chihuahua, Miaka!)
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To: Labyrinthos
What about fatties who smoke? If they kick early due to a massive heart attack is the death counted as fat related, smoking related, or both?

Both.

If we really want to examine the statistics, how do we count the fatty who smokes and dies after suffering a heart attack while driving drunk?

The one death gets listed in 5 categories - smoking, obesity, alcohol consumption, motor vehicle and drinking driving.

That's right - the 1 death will be added to the stats of at least 5 different categories.

44 posted on 04/27/2005 1:02:02 PM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: Sam Cree
My apologies for missing your post earlier.

Actually, IMO, a grain of salt is too mild a description.

I agree, I used that sort of tongue-in-cheek because of the "accociation" of salt intake with hypertension.

I think most studies, and also polls, have an agenda and it's not usually the one put forward. Sometimes their function is to gather cheap publicity or grants, sometimes the function is political, sometimes I guess it's even legitimate.

That, IMO, is it in a nutshell, particularly the idea of further grants. The publicity helps them to get more. Those doing legitimate research get lost in the noise; because so much is so bogus there is much hesitancy in accepting any.

45 posted on 04/27/2005 1:09:31 PM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: television is just wrong

I'm sorry you have chosen not to teach - you would obviously be an asset to your district.

However, going into business for yourself is a good thing - I did it for nearly 20 years.


46 posted on 04/27/2005 1:11:54 PM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: FlyLow
Shouldn't scientists confine themselves to the facts?

Oh heavens! How narrow-minded of you. Science that deals only in facts is so old-fashioned. It's far better to pay scientists who are political activists in lab coats. That helps us all, don't you think? </sarcasm>

47 posted on 04/27/2005 1:15:05 PM PDT by TChris (Just once, we need an elected official to stand up to a clearly incorrect ruling by a court. - Ann C)
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To: brytlea

You've got that all down right.

I won't totally blame the schools for all the problems because in the end it is the parents who have the ultimate voice in what is happening. Complacency on the part of parents basically allows the schools to do as they wish.

Involved parents can and do make changes. I know this because I accomplished a change just this week with a single in person conversation and a single telephone call.


48 posted on 04/27/2005 1:23:13 PM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: Gabz

Thank you for the confidence vote.

I have taught sunday school, and summer school. So my abilities have not gone completely to waste.


49 posted on 04/27/2005 1:47:48 PM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: FlyLow
The man fails to comprehend the various aspects of the issue. By misstating the facts he can reach an erroneous conclusion.

The fat people in danger are too fat and will for various reasons die from being fat.

The fat people who live longer are less fat than those above and have not reached the weight where many problems are triggered. If they continue beyond some weight known only by their specific life circumstances, they also will be in jeopardy. Major problems are heart failure and adult onset diabetes that can result in a host of other nasty conditions.
50 posted on 04/27/2005 1:56:35 PM PDT by bert (Hitch Hiker's Guide is coming!! April 29th!!!)
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To: superiorslots

.....I can't tell you how many clients who have lost considerable weight also lowered their HBP, got their diabetes, sleep apnea etc under control......

Me for one.

The second very important factor in addition to weight loss is excercise. A gain of as few as five pounds above the magic weight number will trigger all of the above and once it is passed on the down side....they go away.



51 posted on 04/27/2005 2:02:14 PM PDT by bert (Hitch Hiker's Guide is coming!! April 29th!!!)
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To: television is just wrong

Good to hear!!!!!!


52 posted on 04/27/2005 2:06:09 PM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: SamAdams76

The medical industry also relies on the cookie cutter BMI. What does that say about someone who is 6' 215# and 11% body fat? So according to the bureaucrats, I'm supposedly at risk! (The same bureaucrats who say bicycling is not exercise)


53 posted on 04/27/2005 2:28:14 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (I live in Minnesota, I run a business in Minnesota, but I remain a TEXAN!)
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To: SamAdams76
Of course, "moderately fat" is not defined.

In the study, a BMI between 25 and 30 was "moderately fat".

54 posted on 04/27/2005 2:38:08 PM PDT by dread78645 (Sarcasm tags are for wusses.)
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To: Gabz

Absolutely, involved parents is key. I wonder how many fat kids you see in families that do activities together (camping/hiking/biking/whatever).
The schools could help, but it's not really their job. I'm a health and biology teacher (certified in TX to teach PE but didn't ever teach it and don't really want to). I tried to do some real world things so the kids could get an idea of what constitutes a healthy diet and exercise. But they don't care. They think they are invincible, and that they can deal with it later.
Interestingly, to me, they don't think they are fat. Anyone who looks around will see plenty of girls with short tops, skin tight pants that are so low with the flabby bellies hanging over (we used to call that dunlaps disease!) and they think they look great! I cannot figure it out. Do they not own mirrors? Do their mothers and fathers just look the other way? Have they not a single friend who will be honest with them?
susie


55 posted on 04/28/2005 6:05:23 AM PDT by brytlea (Yes, there are Republican teachers...)
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To: brytlea

Heck, when I was 12, I used to get on the bus and go to Detroit to go see movies at the Ren Cen or to got to the Detroit Art Institute.

I think I would faint if my daughter did that now.


56 posted on 04/28/2005 7:04:09 AM PDT by tiamat (Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints.)
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To: tiamat

Gee my babies are all in their 20s and I think I would be petrified if they went to Detroit at all!
susie


57 posted on 04/28/2005 6:42:11 PM PDT by brytlea (Yes, there are Republican teachers...)
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To: brytlea

Well, it was a different time, then.

I hung around Greek Town, back when it was still a quiet neighborhood full of actual Greeks ( Ah,,, I can still taste the pastries at the Astoriaa bakery!)

And I hung around the museums.

It's not like i was wandering around Cass Corridor by myself! LOL!


58 posted on 04/29/2005 6:38:16 AM PDT by tiamat (Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints.)
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To: brytlea
And, I have noticed many more girls are carrying it around their bellies.

The difference is that their bellys are exposed, low-riders

I expect to see cases of belly frostbite.

59 posted on 04/29/2005 7:15:39 AM PDT by Vinnie
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To: Vinnie

Most girls I knew growing up (including me) did not have fat bellies when we were teens. Women tend to gain in the hips/thighs first, men tend to gain around the middle. I see less difference among teens today between the sexes regarding where they carry their fat.
But I do agree we are seeing way more of their flabby bodies than many of us would like.
susie


60 posted on 04/29/2005 9:35:40 AM PDT by brytlea (Yes, there are Republican teachers...)
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