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To: Diago
Whoa! Wait a minute. I just clicked on the first link you mentioned. And then clicked on this sublink from that same site:

http://www.dioceseofcleveland.org/gayandlesbianfamilyministry/the_church/index.htm

They link directly to the Catechism and even to the statements on homosexuality made by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith in 1975. Is it possible that this organization in the Diocese of Cleveland is just counseling gays to live chastely and celibately in accordance with the Catechism? If that's what they're doing, I don't have a problem with them.

Please correct me if I'm wrong. I am sincerely interested in what's going on here.

21 posted on 04/26/2005 8:13:44 PM PDT by GipperGal
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To: GipperGal

No, GipperGal, the Diocese of Cleveland, despite its footnote to the catachism, actively promotes homosexuality:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/762432/posts


The following appeared in "The Wanderer's" from the mail section. (This does not appear on the website, I had to type it in):

In Cleveland, which has been racked with the most damaging sex abuse scandals outside of Boston and Los Angeles, diocesan officials, including Bishop Anthony Pilla, maintain a stiff upper lip as some homosexual activists in the chancery and parishes continue to transform parishes into gay-friendly communities. Consider:

The Diocese of Cleveland's official web site (www.dioceseofcleveland.com) greets the viewer with a rainbow flag, and gay activists at the diocese's Gay and Lesbian Family Ministry (GLFM) office are way out and way proud.

One member of the GLFM recorded his experience on an area gay web site of his participation in the Cleveland Gay Pride Parade, informing, "The catholic group had a very nice sized contingent. There were a whole ton of other religious groups as well...Oh, did I mention that I am in the same video as a pornstar?!...Our table was almost across from The Grid's table, so we got to watch Matt Rush shirtless signing autographs and posing for pictures most of the afternoon. I felt so uncouth ogling a pornstar and trying to be a respectable representative of the Catholic Diocese of Cleveland...

"The Stonewall Democrats had the booth next to The Grid, and they had some mighty fine shirtless guys sitting at their table, too. After we took down our table at the pride festival, seven of us from the Catholic group went out to dinner...We also had the same waiter that we had last time...the cute one with attitude."

The author of that revealing letter is the apparent friend of Brian Halderman, a longtime gay activist of the Diocese of Cleveland who recently announced that he is joining the Society of Mary (Marianists) in Dayton.

In another Internet chat thread sent to FTM by a Cleveland reader, Halderman revealed that while a parishioner at Ascension Church (a church plagued by a number of predator priests), he was a chatechist involved in the sacramental preparation of second graders.

Reader, does all this help you understand what bishops such as Clark and Hubbard and Pilla mean by the "lay-run church.

You can contact the diocese of Cleveland toll free at 1-800-869-6525 or by e-mailing:

info@dioceseofcleveland.org


22 posted on 04/26/2005 8:45:48 PM PDT by Diago
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