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Mom, 5-year-old girl in video fires lawyer, moving out of state
St. Petersburg Times ^ | April 26, 2005 | THOMAS C. TOBIN

Posted on 04/26/2005 5:02:47 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: steelyourfaith

Don't 'root' for anyone. Pray for the child.


361 posted on 04/26/2005 8:37:44 PM PDT by sfimom ('Mommy why did they kill her cause she couldn't talk?' (my daughter age8))
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To: Irish Queen

My children have 'unusual' names. Are you suggesting that since I didn't name then John, and jane that I am a shallow self centered parent? I have an unusual name as well.......

Sonia (mine pronounced sauna)
Heaven Leigh (together pronounced heavenly)
Damian Michael (named after two priests one ficticious and one real)
Cora Mae (named after my great grandmother)
Gabriel James (biblical and his father's first name)
Noah Angel (we were sooo praying for a girl as we thought this would be our last baby. So I used the 'angel' that I wanted as the girl's first name as his middle name)
Kitara Simone ( My best friend as a child was Kitara Simone was my husband's youngest sister that died at birth)


362 posted on 04/26/2005 9:08:11 PM PDT by sfimom ('Mommy why did they kill her cause she couldn't talk?' (my daughter age8))
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To: sageb1

I'm too new to the enlightenment that FR has brought me to point a finger at any one organization. What I can say is that when the power (and authority) to discipline our children as we saw fit was taken away from us and the schools THAT'S where the problem began.

Actually no, the problem began when they took prayer out of the schools. It has just continued to go downhill from there. I once had Children and youth services called on me because my daughter refused to participate in an act of mischief with a friend and told the girl 'No way I'm not doing that! My mom would tan my hide!' We have been made criminals for disciplining our own children. Or they are trying anyway. When CYS was here 'interviewing' me I was asked to sign a paper stating that if I physically disciplined the children in any way that they had the authority to take the kids and place them in foster care. I said 'You show me a law that says that I cannot discipline my kids. I will not enter into a contract with you that will prevent me from performing my obligations as a parent.' They left and I actually got a letter of apology a few days later.


363 posted on 04/26/2005 9:17:43 PM PDT by sfimom ('Mommy why did they kill her cause she couldn't talk?' (my daughter age8))
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To: Kokojmudd

Ok so maybe Gabriel's name isn't unusual after all lol


364 posted on 04/26/2005 9:21:40 PM PDT by sfimom ('Mommy why did they kill her cause she couldn't talk?' (my daughter age8))
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Just make da check out ta CASH!!!!!!!!!

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365 posted on 04/26/2005 9:27:54 PM PDT by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: Xenalyte

Don't forget her brother Buddah !..........:o)


366 posted on 04/26/2005 9:31:35 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: Xenalyte

BUT we have to assume that you were TAUGHT that right? It does not look like this child has been taught right from wrong or what is acceptable behavior and what is not. At the age of 5 we really cannot blame the child. At this age the blame rests with the parent(s) IMHO


367 posted on 04/26/2005 9:33:40 PM PDT by sfimom ('Mommy why did they kill her cause she couldn't talk?' (my daughter age8))
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To: sfimom

Those are great names. It gives kids a great sense of their uniqueness to have names that are different.

If I had a buck for every "Jennifer" I've met over the past three decades, I'd be a millionaire.


368 posted on 04/26/2005 9:34:22 PM PDT by Palladin (Proud to be a FReeper!)
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To: Motherbear
It's pretty sad. She's JUST FIVE!

so what? Shes a future criminal. Shes got a idiotic mom, no dad and obviously no manners. Shes a future burden on some overwhelmed states prison system

369 posted on 04/26/2005 9:37:05 PM PDT by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: NCLaw441
who, blacks included, would use an accountant by the name of Ja'eisha? What corporation would elevate her to an executive position, regardless of her ability?

How old are you? I've worked with very capable people with similar names. What you said is just racist. Period. By the way, if she were good, I'd use an accountant named Ja'eisha. What of it?

370 posted on 04/26/2005 9:40:46 PM PDT by Hildy
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To: sageb1

3 year old arsonist??? You have GOT to be kidding me????? That was clearly (due to the age of the 'felon') a case of not childproofing! OMG what is this country coming to? (retorical question no need to answer)


371 posted on 04/26/2005 9:47:35 PM PDT by sfimom ('Mommy why did they kill her cause she couldn't talk?' (my daughter age8))
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To: sfimom
Actually the names you chose for your children demonstrate respect for your children as unique individuals. But as your children become adults they will probably simplify their names ( Noah Angel ... Noah).

A little girl named Bronx or a little boy named Dawn Day might suffer the same fate as "The Boy Named Sue". By the way, as teenagers Button and Bobbin renamed themselves Brenda and Barbara. By the way missionary friends named their boys common New Testament names ( John, Paul, Peter) and their girls more colorful names (Heavenly Joy, Celestial Star).

As our four kids were growing up I told them if they didn't like their first names, then use their middle name. And if they didn't like either name, it was their right to choose another name. All four of our kids kept their Irish names with their traditional Irish spellings. Will you be disappointed if Heaven Leigh becomes simply Leigh, or Kitara Simone becomes simply Kit as a young adult?

372 posted on 04/26/2005 9:49:32 PM PDT by Irish Queen
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To: stuck_in_new_orleans

Well when we and the 'system' have this view of children that so obviously need help then yes that is probably exactly what will happen. However if she is given the help/counselling/discipline that she needs.......who knows what she could be?


373 posted on 04/26/2005 9:53:28 PM PDT by sfimom ('Mommy why did they kill her cause she couldn't talk?' (my daughter age8))
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To: Irish Queen

I posted their middle names just as an illustration. Heaven loves her first name (so far anyway lol) and Kitara is already being called Kit so no it would not bother me.


374 posted on 04/26/2005 9:56:04 PM PDT by sfimom ('Mommy why did they kill her cause she couldn't talk?' (my daughter age8))
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To: Irish Queen

Still trying to get over the shock of having a great-niece born 2 weeks ago to a very rebellious and immature niece who had the audacity to call this precious little one.....
"Abracadebra". Sad, self centered and short sighted to say the least.


375 posted on 04/26/2005 10:04:40 PM PDT by 4Godsoloved..Hegave
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To: Motherbear
Restraining a completely out-of-control child without proper training can result in the child being injured. <<<<<<<<<<<

I don't think that is a problem, police have to hook up little, scrawny people (think homeless or elderly) who are fragile in the course of their duties, as well as many young teenagers who are arrested these days.

Naturally they wouldn't use the exact same techniques with a child, it's more for the shock effect and to break the level of being worked up that the kid has pumped themself into. Mechanical restraints are probably safer than just holding onto the child, it would be easier to hurt her that way.

Is it traumatic to the kid, probably so, but not as crippling in the long run as being allowed to create havoc and physically abuse the administrator or teacher. This girl needs help, and has no apparent structure at home. Her biggest problem is being allowed to even think she could act this way without incurring the wrath of her parent(s).

376 posted on 04/26/2005 10:09:50 PM PDT by Mjaye
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To: 4Godsoloved..Hegave
"Still trying to get over the shock of having a great-niece born 2 weeks ago to a very rebellious and immature niece who had the audacity to call this precious little one..... "Abracadebra". Sad, self centered and short sighted to say the least."

Well said: "Sad, self-centered and short-sighted."

377 posted on 04/26/2005 10:27:10 PM PDT by Irish Queen
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To: SampleMan
>In an ideal world, this little girl should not have been >handcuffed. She should have been given a good paddling on >her bottom with a switch.
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Too right. At the start of the article I was thinking "Well, this time they've really done it. The USofA is now finally over the edge and on the slide" but by the end of the article I was thinking what you were thinking.
379 posted on 04/27/2005 5:20:34 AM PDT by PzGr43
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To: Hildy

You said: How old are you? I've worked with very capable people with similar names. What you said is just racist. Period. By the way, if she were good, I'd use an accountant named Ja'eisha. What of it?

I am not sure you have read all of the posts on this. I am 47. What I said was NOT racist. The posts have referred to names given to children by all kinds of people, including, for example Gwynneth Paltrow, who named her daugher Apple. You are correct that a person's ability is not determined by her name; however, perception means a lot, especially in professional and business circles, and names like Ja'eisha and Apple and River do not evoke the kind of professionalism people seek in accountants, for example. I am not saying it SHOULD be this way, only that it IS this way. And given that this situation exists, why would a parent inflict it upon her child?
I have no qualms with who anyone uses as an accountant or anything else, but if you think that an accountant named Ja'eisha will make as good an INITIAL impression as the same person if she were named Regina or Elizabeth, you are, in my opinion, mistaken.


380 posted on 04/27/2005 6:34:07 AM PDT by NCLaw441
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