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Microsoft expected to ignite 64-bit computing
Yahoo, USA today ^ | 4/25/05 | Byron Acohido and Michelle Kessler, USA TODAY

Posted on 04/25/2005 7:47:12 AM PDT by 1FASTGLOCK45

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To: Chode
must be my bad then cause i thought that was what the MicroVAX's had as a chipset... what were they using then???

That would be the, uh, MicroVAX chipset.

The MicroVAX I was a board (or perhaps two; I've never actually seen one) full of chips. I think this first showed up in '83; I recall seeing sales literature for it around that time.

The MicroVAX II boiled this into two chips, one for the main instruction set and a floating-point coprocessor. The MicroVAX II showed up shortly after the MicroVAX I. I don't recall when I first saw a MicroVAX II, but I think the MicroVAX 2000 (a small desktop VAX using the MicroVAX II chipset) first showed up around '87.

The CVAX got it all down to a single chip.

From there, things wentnuts. There were Rigel, Mariah, SOC, NVAX, and a bunch of others ending with the NV5 and NV5+. NV5+ was a version of the NV5 that was mostly pin-compatible with the first Alpha.

The Alpha first showed up in '91 as the EV4, which was used in the DEC 3000/400 (Sandpiper) and /500 (Flamingo) as well as a bunch of others. The machine I have at home is a Sandpiper, based on the EV4. The machines I use at work are based on the EV56. The current Alpha is the EV7z.

41 posted on 04/25/2005 9:41:35 AM PDT by Vroomfondel
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To: Vroomfondel
thankxlot for the update... i never took the field service course for them, i just programed them, so i and never paid any attention to the chip set back then.
i went straight from that to migrating everything to all pc based applications in 1990 and lost touch with most things DEC after that except linking the pc's to VAX clusters.
42 posted on 04/25/2005 10:17:42 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: general_re
Turns out that he'd embedded a picture that he took with his digital camera into each file. Said picture being a 3000x2000 uncompressed TIFF image, which he simply resized to fit the page. ;)

It's amazing how many otherwise savvy people don't know about resizing image files befor emailing or posting on the web. Photoshop has the ImageReady utility (which used to be a separate program). This is about the coolest utility I know of, but why isn't there more buzz about this process?

Digital cameras are now producing 5 megabyte jpegs. Someone needs to produce a free or cheap utility that will convert directories full of big image files into email sized files. (Copying them into another folder, of course.)

43 posted on 04/25/2005 10:27:19 AM PDT by js1138 (e unum pluribus)
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To: Chode
i went straight from that to migrating everything to all pc based applications in 1990 and lost touch with most things DEC after that except linking the pc's to VAX clusters.

I've actually come at the DEC world backwards. My first encounter with DEC was the 11/780 owned by the university I went to. From there, I picked up some PDP-11 and PDP-8 experience. Then I got a job doing VMS kernel work, and am still doing that sort of stuff 20 years later. The transition from VAX to Alpha was a marvelous thing; I was still able to look things up in my trusty old VAX microfiche to figure out what the Alpha kernel was doing, since most of the kernel was translated by running it through a compiler that VAX assembly into Alpha code.

These days, most of the kernel is in C and the device drivers I write are in C. I was skeptical at first, but they've put a lot of work into making C work and I don't miss the assembly language. Much.

For a while, I was afraid I would be sucked into the PC and Mac world, but that particular company imploded and I was able to find myself some more VMS work.

Now I'm looking at what it takes to move my stuff to Itanium, since that's where VMS is headed since the Alphacide. I think I have it figured out, but won't know for sure until I manage to get my hands on a machine.

44 posted on 04/25/2005 10:33:34 AM PDT by Vroomfondel
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To: VeniVidiVici; general_re
MS had a 64bit version of W2K out 4 or 5 years ago. But I guess that wouldn't qualify as a desktop o/s.

I believe you're talking about Windows NT 4 on DEC/Alpha. Some machines it ran on were clearly workstation models that would fit on a desk. :) NT4 Alpha also supported SMP and ran on 12 and 14-way DEC servers with multi-gigabyte RAM configurations.

45 posted on 04/25/2005 10:46:54 AM PDT by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: 1FASTGLOCK45

decaf,

deep breath and relax.

You are going to pop a blood vessel.


46 posted on 04/25/2005 10:51:14 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: Liberal Classic

LOL - I forgot all about that one. I was thinking of the 64-bit XP that MS produced for the Itanium/I2.


47 posted on 04/25/2005 10:56:04 AM PDT by general_re ("Frantic orthodoxy is never rooted in faith, but in doubt." - Reinhold Niebuhr)
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To: js1138

I've seen batch conversion utilities for Windows before, but the problem I've always run into is that those are the sorts of things that someone popped out in an afternoon of coding, and then think they're going to get people to pay $29.95 for it. I'm too lazy to write my own, and too lazy to open my wallet, so I guess I'll hit Sourceforge and see what they've got ;)


48 posted on 04/25/2005 11:01:17 AM PDT by general_re ("Frantic orthodoxy is never rooted in faith, but in doubt." - Reinhold Niebuhr)
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To: general_re

As long as Windows is adding bloat, they could add a right click choice for image files that would rotate the image or "save for web". I still get megabyte sized jpegs in emails.


49 posted on 04/25/2005 11:07:06 AM PDT by js1138 (e unum pluribus)
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To: js1138

I can already hear those shareware guys screeching about abuse of monopoly power....


50 posted on 04/25/2005 11:26:06 AM PDT by general_re ("Frantic orthodoxy is never rooted in faith, but in doubt." - Reinhold Niebuhr)
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To: general_re

I believe Macs already have an image rotate built into the file browser. Perhaps a file size reducer could be built into the email client, or added as a plugin. This kind of simple software ought to come with digital cameras.


51 posted on 04/25/2005 11:29:49 AM PDT by js1138 (e unum pluribus)
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To: Vroomfondel
sometimes i miss the simple complexity of having walls of A to A, and A to D and D to D and D to A Input/Output cards all being fed to banks of DYS-50's in turn controlled by the PDP-11's that were linked to the VAX clusters... on second thought, maybe i don't 8^)
52 posted on 04/25/2005 12:16:31 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: Vroomfondel

I didn't mention Alpha (running 64bit Linux since 1998 or so and Tru64 since about 1994 I think) , neither did I mention SGI's IRIX, running 64bit since about 1994 or 95.


53 posted on 04/25/2005 12:36:52 PM PDT by ikka
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To: general_re
True. But what you will see are larger executable images and (possibly) longer program initialization.
54 posted on 04/25/2005 1:01:17 PM PDT by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: 1FASTGLOCK45
There was a thread a while back, mentioning this precise thing. A pc running @64bits (amd's new chips) don't run as efficient or well because the software wasn't designed yet. Some KNOW IT ALL on Freerepublic told me otherwise, insisting they were right. Well, here it is, Read the article, you KNOW it All, and KISS MY AZZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, at least I know how to spell "ass".

55 posted on 04/25/2005 1:27:47 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Not Elected Pope Since 4/19/2005.)
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To: general_re
I've seen batch conversion utilities for Windows before, but the problem I've always run into is that those are the sorts of things that someone popped out in an afternoon of coding, and then think they're going to get people to pay $29.95 for it. I'm too lazy to write my own, and too lazy to open my wallet, so I guess I'll hit Sourceforge and see what they've got ;)

I've got one I can sell you for $29.95.

56 posted on 04/25/2005 1:30:29 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Not Elected Pope Since 4/19/2005.)
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To: longtermmemmory; 1FASTGLOCK45
decaf, deep breath and relax. You are going to pop a blood vessel.

Besides, he's wrong.

57 posted on 04/25/2005 1:32:28 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Not Elected Pope Since 4/19/2005.)
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To: Vroomfondel
These days, most of the kernel is in C and the device drivers I write are in C. I was skeptical at first

(surprised look)

58 posted on 04/25/2005 1:34:03 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Not Elected Pope Since 4/19/2005.)
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To: ikka
I didn't mention Alpha (running 64bit Linux since 1998 or so and Tru64 since about 1994 I think)

Tru64 is only the most recent name for OSF/1, which has been running on Alphas since their release.

NetBSD and FreeBSD also run on Alpha. I don't know about their "bittedness". Although I have, on occasion, run NetBSD/Alpha, I didn't investigate how much 64-bit stuff it allowed me to do.

59 posted on 04/25/2005 1:47:37 PM PDT by Vroomfondel
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To: 1FASTGLOCK45

All modern day computers and compilers are built around relocatable code, they have base registers and offset registers.

The code is written, all (or most) 32 bit code should run fine on a 64 bit processor.. if the hardware engineers know what the hey they're doing.

And judging from the things I take apart and put back together, comon sense is not so common in engineers..

Big Blue has been working on this type of stuff for what?, like three decades?


60 posted on 04/25/2005 1:56:00 PM PDT by djf
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