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Use of B.C. and A.D. Faces Changing Times
Houston Chronicle ^ | April 23, 2005 | Michael Gormley

Posted on 04/25/2005 7:18:19 AM PDT by Irontank

In a world encouraged to embrace differences, B.C. and A.D. are increasingly finding themselves on the wrong end of the religious sensitivity meter.

Educators and historians say schools from North America to Australia have been changing the terms Before Christ to Before Common Era and anno Domini (Latin for "year of the Lord") to Common Era. In short, they're referred to as B.C.E. and C.E.

The change has stoked the ire of Christian conservatives and some religious leaders who view it as an attack on a social and political order that has been in place for centuries. Ironically, for more than a century Hebrew lessons have used B.C.E. and C.E., with C.E. sometimes referring to Christian Era.

That begs the question: Can old and new coexist in harmony, or must one give way to the other to reflect changing times and attitudes?

The terms B.C. and A.D. have clear Catholic roots. Dionysius Exiguus, an abbot in Rome, devised them as a way to determine the date for Easter for Pope St. John I. The terms were continued under the Gregorian Calendar.

Although most calendars are based on an epoch or person, B.C. and A.D. have always presented a particular problem for historians: There is no year zero.

"When Jews or Muslims have to put Christ in the middle of our calendar ... that's difficult for us," said Steven Brown, dean of the William Davidson Graduate School of Jewish Education at The Jewish Theological Seminary in New York City. "They are hard for non-Jews, because they assume a centrality of Jesus ... it's not offensive, but it's not sensitive to my religious sensibilities."

The new terms were introduced by academics in the 1990s in public elementary and high school classrooms.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ad; annodomini; antichristianbias; bc; bce; beforechrist; commonera; irreligiousleft; leftists; multiculturalism; purge
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To: Irontank
"When Jews or Muslims have to put Christ in the middle of our calendar ... that's difficult for us,"

Well, whether you call it BC/AD or BCE/CE, it still pivots around the birth of Jesus. And what the hell is "common era" supposed to mean? What's "common" about it?
21 posted on 04/25/2005 7:54:50 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Shanda
I am 68 years old and was taught in grammar school that BC meant before the common era.

It really had nothing at all to do with bias in my 'olden days'.

22 posted on 04/25/2005 8:00:53 AM PDT by OldFriend (MAJOR TAMMY DUCKWORTH.....INSPIRATIONAL)
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To: OldFriend
Since the date was first established based on the birth of Christ, then any alteration of the name would sure sound like bias to me.

You must have attended a really strange school.

23 posted on 04/25/2005 8:03:42 AM PDT by Shanda
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To: Irontank
"They are hard for non-Jews, because they assume a centrality of Jesus ... it's not offensive, but it's not sensitive to my religious sensibilities."

Oh Bite me.

24 posted on 04/25/2005 8:03:56 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Irontank
In A.D. 2101...

...war was beginning.

25 posted on 04/25/2005 8:04:51 AM PDT by rightwinggoth
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To: fishtank

It does date from creation? Now that I hadn't realized ... though I had some Jewish boys I used to babysit school me on the calendar once and did have some general idea what year it was.


26 posted on 04/25/2005 8:13:28 AM PDT by Askel5 († Theresa Marie Schindler, Martyr for the Gospel of Life, pray for us †)
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To: Dallas59
The main reason I like BCE and CE is that from historical evidence Christ was born in 4 BC and crucified in 32 AD...so he was born before he was born? BCE & CE solves the problem of changing the calenders.
27 posted on 04/25/2005 8:18:28 AM PDT by D Rider
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To: Irontank

Wehn given an option, I always fill out - Year of our Lord Two housand and Five.


28 posted on 04/25/2005 8:20:54 AM PDT by SengirV
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To: D Rider
The main reason I like BCE and CE is that from historical evidence Christ was born in 4 BC and crucified in 32 AD...so he was born before he was born? BCE & CE solves the problem of changing the calenders.

Opps! should read crucified in 28 AD. sorry

29 posted on 04/25/2005 8:21:49 AM PDT by D Rider
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To: Irontank
Dionysius Exiguus calculated the date of Christ's birth (inaccurately) but it took a long time before it was common to date from that point...and I don't think B.C. dates were used before the Renaissance. If anyone objects to "B.C." tell them it stands for "backwards counting."

It would have been easier if an earlier event such as the creation or the birth of Abraham had been chosen as the starting point, at least for dealing with Greek and Roman history.

One thing we can count on--the comic strip B.C. won't be renamed B.C.E.

30 posted on 04/25/2005 8:25:24 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Irontank
Hah! They can change the labels all they want, but until they change the numbers themselves, they won't change the meaning.

"Common Era", indeed. Daddy, why is it "common"?

31 posted on 04/25/2005 8:28:26 AM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (Have you visited http://c-pol.blogspot.com?)
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To: fishtank
The current year is 5765

This is bad news ... I'm apparently either 3,760 years ahead or behind in my rent. I hope my landlord isn't a Freeper.

32 posted on 04/25/2005 8:54:22 AM PDT by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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To: Irontank

I use another standard. This year is 63 AD. Before Dean. That's me folk!

AAPC


33 posted on 04/25/2005 9:08:10 AM PDT by lawdude (Liberalism is a mental disease.)
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To: Askel5
Given the way Daylights Savings about to be yanked about again, I see no reason not to expect something more along the lines of a Metric, as opposed to monthly, calendar soon enough.

The logical thing would be to shift to radiocarbon dates - either Before Present or Present Year.
proposed inst. 55AP (Anno Present)

34 posted on 04/25/2005 9:10:26 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (What ever crushes individuality is despotism, no matter what name it is called. - J S Mill)
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To: Irontank

So B.C.E is short for B.C.?

That makes sense. NOT!


The calendar is not a place to make a political stand, it's how we can all agree on what date it is. Screwing with a system that has worked just fine for a few hundred years is merely begging for trouble.


35 posted on 04/25/2005 9:38:19 AM PDT by Triggerhippie (Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.)
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To: Irontank

I've noticed this for about a decade now and I hate it. It's just more PC bulls--t being forced down our throats. Even though I'm not much of a Christian, I very much resent our history and cultural heritage being redefined in this manner.


36 posted on 04/25/2005 9:43:30 AM PDT by elmer fudd
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To: rightwinggoth

Its Cat!


37 posted on 04/25/2005 9:52:34 AM PDT by Lockbar (March toward the sound of the guns.)
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To: Irontank
I have used BC and AD all my life and don't plan to change.
If someone can't understand it, or deduce it from the context, tough noogies.
38 posted on 04/25/2005 10:30:55 AM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: Irontank

When I heard that (BCE/CE) I always imagined this exchange with some mr. elite uber-leftist "intellectual"...

"What does CE mean?

"Common Era, as in the years of the modern calender"

"You mean like BC and AD?"

"right"

"So when does CE start"

"The time of Christ"

"I thought that was AD, as in The year of our lord, anno domini"

"No"

"But it begins at the time of Christ, then, right?"

"Yes"

"So then it's AD, not CE, right?"

"No, it's CE.."

"What's it's based on then?"

"The Common Era"

"When did the 'common era' start?"

"The time of Christ"

"But it's not AD then?"

"No"

etc...



39 posted on 04/25/2005 2:44:56 PM PDT by Bones75
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To: Askel5

Metric years? What's A.D. 2005 in metric?


40 posted on 04/25/2005 7:54:36 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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