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To: joesbucks
Here's where the rub lies. There are micro and macro things that religious leaders want codified into law. Things like pro life are the macro. But once they begin to feel their oats, then the Christian right will focus on issues such as salvation, grace and many other micro issues that if one side or the other wins out then we're in trouble, because they will all claim those laws are part of natural law empowered by the Creator.

So do you want emersion or sprinking codified? In the name of Jesus or the Father, Son and Holy Spirit? Should the wafer really be considered the body of Christ or just symbolic? What if the Catholic view of Mary were codified and where does that leave Fundamentalists. IT will come to that point ladies and gentlemen. Be careful how much power you give these guys.

That's a slippery slope argument, and it won't fly. If the tendency were as you describe it, we would have slid down that slope a century or two ago. The tendency - as marked by the elimination of prayer and bible readings in government schools - has been in the other direction.

It is conventional to accuse Christians of self-righteousness, and they do have that tendency because they are human, and humans have that tendency. The truth is that left-wingers are the very epitome of self-righteousness precisely because they reject the idea of a definition of righteousness which is above themselves and their own desires.

The Christian may lapse into associating God with what they want - the reverse of the Christian principle of associating your desires with what God wants - but the radical leftist rejects any definition of right apart from what s/he wants.

34 posted on 04/25/2005 7:23:27 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters but PR.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

I know some of the people behind some of these movements. Not the front people, but the movers behind the scenes. Believe me, they all say that they will work as a team on certain issues, and they will break apart and advance their own biblical view in the political process when they disagree. But they all believe that the macro items must be addressed first and then they can focus on the micro apsects. I've asked about the issues I've brought forward and they all agree that they will be advancing those once they issues once can control the process. the model is the town that the Moonies took over a few years ago and started stacking the politcal offices with their believers.


36 posted on 04/25/2005 7:40:52 AM PDT by joesbucks
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

While not political, check this thread on how this is beginning: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1390639/posts


40 posted on 04/25/2005 8:41:29 AM PDT by joesbucks
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